lol this again. ODST is an expansion with $20 of Halo 3 DLC, thus priced full. Its in the title: Halo 3: ODST. Clearly a expansion.

My sig is the IP sales of 2012. So really, you have to include all Killzones and all Halos sales in 2012. Ya....Halo would totally wipe the floor. Offcourse I didnt include Forza 2 and 3 for my sig because its sales have slowed to a very low crawl, so you would have to see if any other Killzone games in 2012 sold over say 100k for it to mean something. But I digress. Its always funny to see a GT fan use the PS1 and PS2 games as a crutch.

He is using time frame and how much each IP has sold in a specific time fram.  When a new game gets released the last game of that series numbers will start to fall.  It's like if GT6 got released now then you would see GT5 sells stop. It really isn't that hard to figure out.

Mario 500m
GT series 65.78m

Because that is even right?

Plus I'm sure Halo 4 will eventually end up on games on demand so we will never know how much it really sold since those numbers aren't available to the public.  Also what's there to doubt what other two games could they bundle in next years holiday bundle besides Halo 4.  If they go first party only with next years holiday bundle then its Forza Horizon and Halo 4.  If they go first and third then its Halo 4 and some other game.  Not to mention that Halo 4 will most likely be over 8 million in two weeks.

"You are comparing one game's legs and comparing it to a newer release's front-loaded sales"

What's hard to understand about this?

You and sales really are a trip.

Can I say one thing that's relevant here? I think 343 has pumped new life into the Halo series with Halo 4.

Honestly the campaign story is way better then Reach.. The Reach campaign never got my Adrenalin pumping.. and from I hear they ( Bungie ) outsourced the making of the campaign. I also rightfully blamed Bungie for BS like Armor Lock in the multiplayer game.. Thankfully 343 has removed armor lock..

The multiplayer aspect of the game is way better was well.. Oddball ( for those who don't know is the carrying of a skull - and whose team possesses it most ) in Reach just sucked.. In Halo 4 they added realism.. now you can 'actually' throw the skull to a teammate.. They also have dominion.. which is sweet.. slayer - but also controlling bases.. stuff you'd expect in the training of soldiers..

Slayer is better then ever.. they balanced weapons and added sweet weapons and COMPLETELY UPDATED the sounds.. any weapon ( including crap I used to hate ) sounds modern now and real..

You never knew until Halo 4 sounds were redone that the sounds they used before were the same 10 year old ones from Halo 1 ( Combat Evolved )..

I think Halo 4 has a real chance of coming closes to Halo 3 in sales- despite its (H4's) disadvantage of having a shorter life cycle then H3.. Halo 3 had a 3 year life cycle until Reach ( no one considered ODST a real and full game - as it was meant as an expansion ).. Halo 4 will only have 2 years until H5..

We're likely looking at a game that will sell 10 or 11 million.. H3 did 11.7 million lifetime.. if H4 can EVEN come close to 11 million in two years ( since it took H3 3 years to do 11.7 ) then that would prove its true success to the series..

No I'm not comparing anything.  Just saying your statement makes no sense.  Sales2099's does.  You are talking about GT5 and legs but completely disregarding that Halo 3 sold well for a long time.  Halo 4 could do the same thing.  This hasn't even been with bundles yet, and you also ignore that.  What happens if GT6 gets announced?  We don't know what will happen then do we?  If I wanted to make a comparison I would make a new thread for it.  What I've learned from this thread is that people are childish.  But yes say I'm a trip for using logic while your sig alone is not logical.

You are a trip the only reason Killzone 3 even sold any copies this year is because it was heavily discounted all year and that's not even including the controller bundle I brought up earlier.  With all that being said it still hasn't outsold Killzone 2.  Also Halo 4 has already outsold all the titles in the Killzone franchise combined and Halo 2, Halo Reach and Halo 3 did this also.

Lets face it GT5 fell short of expectations and overall playstation is not as popular as it once was. Also im pretty sure companies prefer games to be more front loaded rather than it have longevity.

This is the last time I will acknowledge your sig. Your making fun and thats cool, but make no mistake your doing it wrong :P

- I do 2 franchises that get people talking. The Halo vs Killzone comparisons have long since died and lost interest.

- I did the IP sales of the most relevant titles in 2012. Both Forza 4 and Horizon put out respectable numbers. If Forza 2 and 3 sold like 300K or more I would have counted them too. GT 5 is still selling, but GT5 prologue also slowed to a crawl.Your comparison should follow and include all KZ and all Halo game sales of 2012, provided they sold enough to be a noteworthy mention.If you truly did what I am doing, Halo IP sales of 2012 would wreck KZ IP sales of 2012.

- Your comparing a full game to a expansion. Full priced or not (with Halo 3 DLC), it was an expansion.

But hey carry on. Lets celebrate KZ 3 selling more then ODST, despite the IP selling less then Halo, which was my point the entire time.

I quoted myself, not you. See below.

Let's celebrate Forza 4 and Horizon outselling GT5 in 2012, despite the IP selling less than GT, which was my point the entire time.