lot of xbox ppl getting defensive about last place(the inevitable). xbox had and entire year head start,their rival had a monsterous price tag to start out(it was almost like having a 2 year head start to be honest because of the $600 issue) and once the ps3 got a decent competitive price point,has been handing the xbox its behind ever since,its not the end of the world,its video game machines ppl,get over it,its gonna happen,and the ps3 is gonna pass it by millions when its all said and done. and for the op,why wouldnt we talk about it,it was a major hurdle because of the reasons i mentioned price/late start(and btw,always having a higher price too).this is a sales site so we talk about it,not the nba, not politics, not aids, not cartoons,but sales came out a year late/huge price point,always had a higher price point,and will pass it by millions when its done. xbox ppl get very defensive over the last place thing(the inevitable).

I think I've managed to cut out the weird copy-pasted menus whilst leaving the post mostly intact - Kantor

Quite the informative post.

Is it just me or does it seem this topic is attracting alternate accounts?

Yes, not to mention the next person asking why 360 fans are posting its no big deal should be banned as the OP clearly has the word discussion and a question for people to answer.  To me its just trolling, are 360 fans not supposed to speak on any subject now?  These forums can be a joke at times.  If you don't want to have 360 fans post then put in your own thread on the subject stating Sony fans only, problem solved.

People have been saying the same old thing for years now, that the PS3 will make this comeback to 1st. Please leave it alone already. The Wii has won this gen, it's over.  No, PS3 won't even pass the 360 either.  I love my PS3 but no..

Wait, it still counts for the 360 because the "current gen is still alive?"  Does that go for the Wii, too?  The system that's been declining by HUGE amounts for how long now? At least 2 years.  And the 360 may not reach the Wii in the US til the NeXbox is released.  Will you still celebrate then?  Of course you will.  But you'll come up with some lame excuse to why it is fine to celebrate, while the PS3's milestone is a "so what."

Also, the DS is most likely not going to pass the PS2, so I'm not sure why you brought that up.

It seems to me fron the posts in here - that most 360 fans could care less - while most PS3 fans think it's a significant milestone.

Me? If either outsell the Wii, which I doubt will happen (at least for the next 3 years at the very soonest) - that's big news. If either get second place, without the winner being displaced - who cares?

The horse that wins the race is the most important - each way bets pay for a place outright - not a different value for second and third There's winners - and placegetters.

The Silver Medal is only important in small countries that never win gold. Although Usain Bolt getting Silver in an event he's previously dominated would probably be more newsworthy than whoever won gold.

The Sony Nation (and their athlete PS3/Usain Bolt) is surely successful and large enough to be going for gold, and seeing anything less as a failure.

If stealing second place - right at the death - is significant, and indeed (as I have read in other threads) cause to celebrate - then the Sony Nation must be smaller and less successful than I thought, as - judging by the posts in here - they'd think it was a pretty, pretty, pretty big deal.

Your point would be valid if sales were indeed like a race. Which they are not. If people adopt your product and it sells, you get market share, make profit and in turn you win.

Your stance on the matter, as concealed as you tried to word it, is no different from those you point a finger at.

My stance on the matter is clearly stated in the second paragraph. It's there - no concealment. Read it again.

And sales - like it or not - are indeed like a race - as you seem to have agreed with in your post  (quoted - If people adopt your product and it sells, you get market share, make profit and in turn you win.).  Which basically means that whoever sells the most wins. Although runners can leave the field/join the field at any time, until it's effectively a one horse race.

PS2 sold many years after it's competition bailed out - but it was winning when they left and remained winner.  It'd won the gold and still kept running. Ditto the SNES (when Sega had gone on to the Saturn -  SNES was leading) - the PS1 (when Sega had gone on to the DC - PS1 was leading). There's only two horses left in this race now (as Nintendo have moved on to the WiiU) - and unless someone displaces it (Wii) for first place overall - any "victory" is hollow. And if when the PSOmni/XboxInfinity launch - if whoever is left at market is still running third - well - it's not a victory at all. Be that Xbox or PS. Like I said - the Wii won. Unless someone outsells that while there's still another competitor on that track (ie. Sony or MS haven't moved to the next gen) - that's the victory.

Maybe MS and Sony fans should shake hands and say - "well we both got our arses handed to us by Nintendo. Good Game. The winner is now in another castle." rather than this "I'm less of a loser than you, or maybe in the next 12 months I will be less of a loser" retarded debate. It seems desperate - from both sides.

As for finger pointing - in my post that you quoted - did I block quote someone and reply directly to points someone made? Or just give an overview of how the general tone of 200+ posts, and general observations of how things appear to look from my perspective?

2nd place authority allows me to make these rules. 3rd place fans cant make the rules, as defined by the PS2 forefathers of yestergen.