yea the RROD is already taking into account. the 360 did good this gen profit wise.

well even if likely I'll still wait and see what happen before celebrating that one.... at the price tag both console are reaching a huge well marketed discounted bundle could keep the spread last longer....

and for brand strength not really.... if sony ends up being second this gen by being 2nd or 3rd console bought or 1st current gen this late in the cycle.... doesn't speak for PS brand strength at all quite the opposite.

and finally Sony is and still will be doomed even if PS3 would end up first by several million by the end of 2013.... and that's not because of PS..... as much as I dislike Sony I do think the PS is one of their top product.... but the company as whole is trugling big time and it could be fatal.... what could happen though is PS being an independent company down the line if Sony goes south.... who knows....

well so anyway if they do pass XB congrats for the achievement.... but it won't really count as a great achievement for a console in its 3rd gen coming out of an imperial victory the gen before.... while MS accomplished wonders with a second edition in a competitive and for the first time in a while revolutionized market.... I think fan boy or not we can all agree PS3 was a failure by Sony's own standards and prior track record and Nintendo and MS accomplished great thing considering the risk ninty took and how MS could have completely messed up and almost did....

I am well aware that they wiped out the PS2 profits, but that still neglects all the positives that still came out of this generation and that the PS division has been generating profit for quite a while now. No need to keep living in the past. Yes, it's good to know where you've been, but that shouldn't be used to negate where you are now. If we did then we could say that even with all the incredible growth the XBox division has made with the 360, it probably still hasn't made back the 6B they lost with the original XBox. You see? You just don't look at things that way. It is already money lost and either you can accept that and move on and try to better yourself, or you can sulk and believe that means nothing good can ever be attained from that point on. It is also commonly ignored that PS3 lost a ton of money because they used it as a trojan horse to push the very expensive Blu-Ray format.

They built up their first party and created some great new IP for the Playstation platform and more importantly they made great strides to restore their image and went from a console that was predicted to suffer an early death and went on to become the best selling console on a weekly basis and has a great shot of selling the same or more than the Playstation 1. Even if it sells 5M/year over the next 5 years it will still reach the PS1, and that is neglecting that it has a good shot at ~8-9M next year.

Profits or not, that is a great accomplishment as it gives them great momentum heading in to the next generation.

One thing the CEO of my job once told me is this: "Sometimes it is a greater accomplishment to have fallen, picked yourself back up and rise to the peak again, rather than to have stayed on the top forever."

This is the story Nintendo had during the 7th generation and it also a story that Sony has as well.

In the end of all things. depending on "how" you choose to look at, everyone this gen ends up a winner when things are truly put into perspective and you look at how everything started and ultimately finished.

PS3 is a great story of recovering when everything looked grim.

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