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Too bad the government subsidized products that aren't the best for human consumption (dairy, corn/high fructose corn syrup, etc). If anything they should have only subsidized fruit and veggies (almost everything but corn because corn is pretty much shit).



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spurgeonryan said:
Kasz216 said:
pokoko said:
Er. Do you have some kind of information you can share? Any details at all? As far as I know, some farm subsidies are awful and went on way, way too long. Keep in mind that I live in a rural, farming county in a farming state. I know people who made tons of money to NOT plant certain crops while still making money planting others. Look at the corn situation, where corn syrup was literally as cheap as water.

You're really going to need to give us more details if you want people to form any kind of opinion.

Couldn't agree more.   If they do get rid of the farm subsidies maybe soda can go back to superior pure sugar.'

If somehow congress ignored the huge corporate farm lobby and corn lobby and let these uneeded subsidies expire it would be great.



They tried using pure sugar again about a year ago. Tastes horrible in soda. There is a reason These unhealthy foods and beverages taste so good and are so addicting. Pure filth is put in them, bordering in poison.

They had a limted run of cans of Dr Pepper in 2010 to commemoate the brands 125th aniversary using sugar as its sweetner and it didn't taste nowhere as good as the regular version sweetened with high fructose corn syrup.  I did prefer the taste of Pepsi and Mountain Dew throwback (made with sugar) over the regular versions.  I also thing soda in Germany on average tastes better then soda in the US and they use inferior sugar that is made from sugar beets compared to the sugar made from sugar cane that is widely available in the US.



famousringo said:
Kasz216 said:

Also.... "Crisis" likely averted.

http://farmfutures.com/story-farm-bill-deal-reached-0-72184


Not surprised at all. Ending subsidies is hard. Not only do voters see an increased sticker price (a very visible effect, even if you compensate with tax cuts and increased welfare), but rural voters are likely to punish lawmakers for the change. With rural votes being worth almost twice as much as urban votes, it's easy math for representatives to do.

@outlawauron

The idea of subsidizing healthy produce has some merit, but farm subsidies do certainly lower prices for rich and poor alike. I realize that poor people eat more corn-derived processed food, but the price of that food is low no matter what income your household has. There's no reason rich people need a discount on bread and tortillas.


Oh this isn't farm subsidies ending anyway, what the one guy above said is right, I looked it up, and basically what happened is right after WW2 a law passed setting the price of milk.

Essentially Milk isn't sold like a regular product, it's essentially sold "Communist" style.   The government buys the milk from the producers then sells it to the market... pricefixing what milk can be sold for.

The Farm bills have temporary measures in them that make the price they pay cheaper then what the 1949 law says we should pay, which had inflation adjustments in it.

So really the government would just be way overpaying farmers for milk, then way overcharging supermarkets, who would be forced to pay because well... all milk is sold through the state.

 

Essentially it's a case of

A) The government being too stupid to repeal laws and instead layer dumb laws on top of other dumb laws.

B) More or less a perfect arguement for why the free market system works way better then state run goverment price controls.



DirtyP2002 said:

because there is no competition between farmers?

Explain how you feel competition will affect this?



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spurgeonryan said:
Sorry. My kindle messed up the html on that.



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since milk is produced of creatures to feed their offspring and for nothing else you just have to stop drinking it when you are a grown-up



I'm against any kind of subsidies from government to private business. In my opinion it goes against the principles of free market.

If farming products become to expensive, just import them from other countries. Then if US farmers want to stay in business, they will find a way to lower prices.



Kasz216 said:
famousringo said:
Kasz216 said:

Also.... "Crisis" likely averted.

http://farmfutures.com/story-farm-bill-deal-reached-0-72184


Not surprised at all. Ending subsidies is hard. Not only do voters see an increased sticker price (a very visible effect, even if you compensate with tax cuts and increased welfare), but rural voters are likely to punish lawmakers for the change. With rural votes being worth almost twice as much as urban votes, it's easy math for representatives to do.

@outlawauron

The idea of subsidizing healthy produce has some merit, but farm subsidies do certainly lower prices for rich and poor alike. I realize that poor people eat more corn-derived processed food, but the price of that food is low no matter what income your household has. There's no reason rich people need a discount on bread and tortillas.


Oh this isn't farm subsidies ending anyway, what the one guy above said is right, I looked it up, and basically what happened is right after WW2 a law passed setting the price of milk.

Essentially Milk isn't sold like a regular product, it's essentially sold "Communist" style.   The government buys the milk from the producers then sells it to the market... pricefixing what milk can be sold for.

The Farm bills have temporary measures in them that make the price they pay cheaper then what the 1949 law says we should pay, which had inflation adjustments in it.

So really the government would just be way overpaying farmers for milk, then way overcharging supermarkets, who would be forced to pay because well... all milk is sold through the state.

 

Essentially it's a case of

A) The government being too stupid to repeal laws and instead layer dumb laws on top of other dumb laws.

B) More or less a perfect arguement for why the free market system works way better then state run goverment price controls.

Well, when price controls are there to set a fair rate and not just give a huge handout to the farm lobby while screwing everyone else over. The idea of price controls is to stop things from getting too expensive, not to keep things very expensive



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crissindahouse said:

since milk is produced of creatures to feed their offspring and for nothing else you just have to stop drinking it when you are a grown-up


Yep there are better ways to get calcium than through milk.  I've also heard that milk leaches calcium from your bones.  I'm not sure if it is true but if the main purpose of drinking milk is for offspring then drinking another creature's milk while your an adult doesn't make too much sense.

Methionine is a good source for sulfur. That's the problem. Eat foods containing too much methionine, and your blood will become acidic. The sulfur converts to sulfates and weak forms of sulfuric acid. In order to neutralize the acid, in its wisdom, the body leaches calcium from bones.

"Dietary protein increases production of acid in the blood which can be neutralized by calcium mobilized from the skeleton." {American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 1995; 61,4}

http://milk.elehost.com/html/why_does_calcuim_leave_the_bon.html



M.U.G.E.N said:
I blame video games

If someone ever makes Obama: The Video Game..that will be the biggest offender of all things in this world as we know it


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