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   I think the data for John Carter may be wrong



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touchbass said:

 

   First post ever, neat!

 Two things, I think your data for John Carter is off and secondly, how can you have this list without Star Wars: Knights of The Old Republic? One of the most expensive products to ever go into production and it went free to play within the year, embarrasing and a massive failure by Bioware.

I think you mean Star Wars: The Old Republic.



touchbass said:

 

   First post ever, neat!

 Two things, I think your data for John Carter is off and secondly, how can you have this list without Star Wars: Knights of The Old Republic? One of the most expensive products to ever go into production and it went free to play within the year, embarrasing and a massive failure by Bioware.

Firstly, he didn't make that list, Yahoo did. Secondly, Old Republic came out last year.



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C-M-D said:
touchbass said:

 

   First post ever, neat!

 Two things, I think your data for John Carter is off and secondly, how can you have this list without Star Wars: Knights of The Old Republic? One of the most expensive products to ever go into production and it went free to play within the year, embarrasing and a massive failure by Bioware.

I think you mean Star Wars: The Old Republic.

 Apologies, my memory combined with shift work aren't the greatest. Yes it did come in late 2011, thought for one second it came out in 2012 early. Edited my post, cheers!



Player2 said:

Wonderbook may had a chance to be there if we had its sales data.

Does VGC have some data about the game? I can't find it.



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JoeTheBro said:
John Carter was actually a great movie. It's a shame most reviewers and movie goers didn't understand that.

Oh and that Vita paragraph is just horrible! I understand putting it on a list like this but they should at least put some effort into explaining why it belongs. By saying it cost $300 the writer comes off as manipulative.

It's not really manipulative. The 3G model DID cost 300€ and the standard one 250€ with the need to buy an expensive memory card. The statement seems to be about right.



osed125 said:
Player2 said:

Wonderbook may had a chance to be there if we had its sales data.

Does VGC have some data about the game? I can't find it.

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/71141/book-of-spells/

It's under Book Of Spells. 240k but it's been doing some steady numbers in EU these last few weeks.

Week 1: 13k

Week 5: 75k

Give it some time, it's true test will be if it has any legs past the holiday season.



 

Dallinor said:
osed125 said:
Player2 said:

Wonderbook may had a chance to be there if we had its sales data.

Does VGC have some data about the game? I can't find it.

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/71141/book-of-spells/

It's under Book Of Spells. 240k but it's been doing some steady numbers in EU these last few weeks.

Week 1: 13k

Week 5: 75k

Give it some time, it's true test will be if it has any legs past the holiday season.

Thanks, not horrible numbers I guess, so far is not a flop but not a success either.



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thismeintiel said:
JoeTheBro said:
John Carter was actually a great movie. It's a shame most reviewers and movie goers didn't understand that.

Oh and that Vita paragraph is just horrible! I understand putting it on a list like this but they should at least put some effort into explaining why it belongs. By saying it cost $300 the writer comes off as manipulative.

It's kinda weird seeing John Carter up there.  It grossed ~$283M WW, so it made back more than its "production budget" and made even more with home video sales.  So, it at least broke even.  Of course, movie studios always exaggerate the costs of movies to make them seem bigger than they really are, so it probably made a decent profit.

As for the Vita, it's really the only product on that list that has the ability to turn things around.  A few more good games, as well as an inevitable $50 price cut in 2013 (and probably a $150 Black Friday bundle), should definitely see it rise YOY by a good margin.

From what I've heard, films need to make about twice as much money at the box office as their budget was to break even. I pretty much doubt that it even made a $1 profit even with DVD/Blu-Ray revenue.



Barozi said:
thismeintiel said:
JoeTheBro said:
John Carter was actually a great movie. It's a shame most reviewers and movie goers didn't understand that.

Oh and that Vita paragraph is just horrible! I understand putting it on a list like this but they should at least put some effort into explaining why it belongs. By saying it cost $300 the writer comes off as manipulative.

It's kinda weird seeing John Carter up there.  It grossed ~$283M WW, so it made back more than its "production budget" and made even more with home video sales.  So, it at least broke even.  Of course, movie studios always exaggerate the costs of movies to make them seem bigger than they really are, so it probably made a decent profit.

As for the Vita, it's really the only product on that list that has the ability to turn things around.  A few more good games, as well as an inevitable $50 price cut in 2013 (and probably a $150 Black Friday bundle), should definitely see it rise YOY by a good margin.

From what I've heard, films need to make about twice as much money at the box office as their budget was to break even. I pretty much doubt that it even made a $1 profit even with DVD/Blu-Ray revenue.

TV rights could help it to make at least a small profit, though.