the only source i have - vgchartz.

lol

I just think why MS never showed how much software they sold but every big release in the market (Halo, Gears, etc) they talk about sales... weird.

Yeap... that's before the PS3 production here... the 360 at the same price have less than 10% market share... Brazil is Sony land... with a price cut of 40% the 360 reached the first time 65% of the market share but if you reduce 40% of the price in any other place that will happen too.

360 have yet halt the install base of PS3 here in Brazil and I don't think that will change... seems like in 2013 the PS3 will wide the gap again.

The only thing that's surprising is I didn't expect children from kindergarten in this forum. I'm talking Brasil and Poland (and simmilar markets), you guys reply about WW. I mean... Seriously? Wtf?

but you know that pirating games is also possible in other markets? and as easy as in poland and brasil? in germany, you can buy an xbox360 preconfigured for pirated games - jtag, dvd-fw-hack, rgh, ode, what ever you want. remember the ps2? it was very easy to hack and still had a high attach-rate. so yes, seriously? wtf? but you brought "kindergarten" into discussion which disqualifies you for any further discussion.

your last sentence didn't sound like you mean only poland and brazil with it even if you talked about that before.

" Cause PS3 gamers actually buy games and everyone knows that it's games that give income, not the consoles themselves."

sounds like it's just a general conclusion and not only about a small group of ps3 gamers. but at least you think the same as those guys who quoted you, 360 will be the worldwide winner even if the ps3 will have sold more console worldwide because sold games is what really matters to win.

"So even if X360 sells more consoles than PS3, Sony will still be the winner"

It was embarrassing to read Man Bear Pig posts on this thread.

It is possible, but no, it's actually not as easy in richer countries, since it's much more common in poorer countries. You can do it in a richer country, but you have to put a bit more of an effort just to find the parts or people who do it. But the most important thing is - if you're richer, you don't care that much. It's not a problem to pay $60 for a game you like when you earn $2000 per month, but it is a different story when you earn $300-500 or less per month. The wages are different in different countries, the prices of games are the same.

I remember PS2. It's very popular in my country, but I don't know a single person that hasn't got a modded one. When I bought my brand new PS2 in a store, it came with a ModBo chip. By default. So yeah, the attach-rate was good, but again - in rich countries. Just look at PSP in the West - same story. I haven't even seen a UMD disc with my own eyes.

That's why they teach you not to pull words or sentences out of context. These senteces were in one paragraph for a reason.

It's hard to tell who is the winner of this generation, I think everyone won. Wii sold the most and also Nintendo sold crazy numbers of their games. X360 sold a lot, but its biggest kicker is the sick money they earn from Live - a service that should be free. On the other hand PS3 sold equal to X360 and to the earnings made by PS3 you have to add the money Sony earns due to Blu-Ray. PS3 struggled in the beginning because of BD, so now you have to add this money on its account, since BD wouldn't become the new standard without PS3. So it's hard to tell who won. I think everyone did well this gen, which is great.

This seems to make sense. I'm originally from the Latin American region, and I tend to move around the area a lot. From what I observed the PS2 is still king. The system and its software are very ubiquitous so naturally it's the first choice for most people. With respect to current gen systems it seems like the 360 is more common. The landscape is mostly divided between Sony and Microsoft though. It seems like people have become less interested with Nintendo's offerings after the Gamecube. Based on discussions I think most people are more inclined to own a PS3, but the 360 hardware is cheaper, and the games are usually priced cheaper too. Most people don't play online so if you tell them about PSN vs Live in terms of cost it would not matter much. It would be interesting to see if PS3s were manufactured in the area.