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killerzX on 20 December 2012
Mr Khan said:
Player1x3 said:
the2real4mafol said:
I don't get it, you Americans are far too obsessed when it comes to your guns. 30 kids died because of how easy it is to get something that is designed to injure or kill.

Wherever you like it or not, what Obama is doing is the right thing to do. I don't know why people need an assault rifle like the AR-15 anyway, if you need a gun for "self-defense", just get a pistol or a baseball bat, that would work fine anyway. Screw the NRA!


So you just ignore all the facts in the document, shut your ears and yell the usual left wing holier than thou crap despite the facts?

The facts in the document are specious at best. I would go so far as to call them usual right-wing pseudo-intellectual claptrap.

please debunk them then. you havent presented any evidence to their contrary of theirs. you have yet to show them as "specious at best". 

you already have shown that you didnt read the stats, that you relied on someone elses claim to push that these facts are distorted, then the persons claim that you relied on was shown not to be the point of the fact sheet. yet you still stick with this narrative.



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killerzX on 20 December 2012
the2real4mafol said:
killerzX said:
the2real4mafol said:
killerzX said:
the2real4mafol said:
I don't get it, you Americans are far too obsessed when it comes to your guns. 30 kids died because of how easy it is to get something that is designed to injure or kill.

Wherever you like it or not, what Obama is doing is the right thing to do. I don't know why people need an assault rifle like the AR-15 anyway, if you need a gun for "self-defense", just get a pistol or a baseball bat, that would work fine anyway. Screw the NRA!


no 20 kids died becuase somebody wanted to kill them, it could have been with any weapon. the deadliest school attack in US history happened without a gun, the deadliest attack on US soil happened without a gun. These kids are dead people of a murdered intent of murdering. and they may be alive today if it werent for laws making it near impossible for the to be defended by the adults around them.

also an AR-15 is not an assualt rifle. it isnt even high powered. the bullet it uses, is used to varment hunt, in many places its illegal to hunt deer with it because its too small of a caliber. the AR-15 only has a bad rep because its a scary black plastic and metal gun. if it had a nice wood grain to it no one would care.

and saying you should only have a pistol to defend yourself with is extremely naive. tell that to the korean shop owners that defended themselves with AR's during the LA riots. tell that to the police officers son that shot and killed home invaders with his dad AR, and saved himselve and his sister. there are many other stories like this. 

look at the viginia tech shooting, he killed 32, more than this one. did he use an AR, no he used 2 pistols.

I don't believe for a second, those kids would of been any safer, if teachers could carry arms with them. Maybe less would of been killed, but i'm only happy when no one dies. My problem is that the guns used for the crime where legally obtained, but there is obviously no way he was checked first because if he was sane he would of never killed anyone without a  motive at all, especially innocent little kids like that. Do you think that community would ever want to see a gun ever again? I wouldn't. 

But you think i'm crazy that people should only carry pistols? Well in my country, the police don't even want to carry that and yet society is just fine here. Except for the austerity measures that is, which is stupid in itself, but that is another topic

aside from your belief being unsupported by fact. At least having an adult that is properly trained with a gun, would have at least given them a fighting chance. i'd rather that than them being completely defenseless.

also he did not have his guns legally. he stole them. thats illegal. he transported them in public without a permit, which is illegal in CT. he took them into a school. Thats illegal. he brandished his weapon. thats illegal. he dischareged his weapon in a non designated zone. thats illegal. He murder 27 people. thats illegal. He possed a handgun without a permit before age 21. thats illegal. So with just that he committed 7 crimes. So no he didnt have his guns legally.

Also interesting tidbit. in the past 50 years in the US, in killing spress where 3 or more people died, all but 1 happened in a so called "gun free zone" why do you think that is? is it coincidence? or do you think most of the killers chose those locations for a reason? a reason of the wanting easy targets. also why do most of these wackos commit suicide when people with guns come in? this school shooting he commits suicide when the police barge in. the guy at the mall, commited suicide right after being confronted with a ccw holder gun wielding man.

why do you think the aurora colorado shooter chose that particular theatre, when he had 6 others right around him. could it be becuase out of those 7 theaters the only one that banned guns, was the one he shot up?

I though I read somewhere that he bought the guns with his mums ID, maybe not. 

I don't know why these gun men would go to a "gun free" zone to shoot up the place if they would inevitably shoot themselves. Just cowards I guess.

But a problem i find is that there seems to be loads of propaganda floating about on each side of the argument, I don't doubt for a second that money plays as big apart as the constitution itself

@mmmfishtacos I'm from Great Britain

 


i will give you a hint. yes they are cowards, and have shown so be commiting suicide when it appears there is anybody that poses a threat to them. since they are so cowardly they chose these "gun free zones" which are really spree shooter safe zones because they no they will have unarmed victims, they no they will have easy unconstested targets. these people are cowardly scum, and the end their lifes at the first thought that they may be stopped by force (a gun in a good guys hand)



the_dengle on 20 December 2012

Took a glance expecting to see a whole lot of stupid. Was not disappointed.



Mr Khan on 20 December 2012
killerzX said:
Mr Khan said:
Player1x3 said:
the2real4mafol said:
I don't get it, you Americans are far too obsessed when it comes to your guns. 30 kids died because of how easy it is to get something that is designed to injure or kill.

Wherever you like it or not, what Obama is doing is the right thing to do. I don't know why people need an assault rifle like the AR-15 anyway, if you need a gun for "self-defense", just get a pistol or a baseball bat, that would work fine anyway. Screw the NRA!


So you just ignore all the facts in the document, shut your ears and yell the usual left wing holier than thou crap despite the facts?

The facts in the document are specious at best. I would go so far as to call them usual right-wing pseudo-intellectual claptrap.

please debunk them then. you havent presented any evidence to their contrary of theirs. you have yet to show them as "specious at best". 

you already have shown that you didnt read the stats, that you relied on someone elses claim to push that these facts are distorted, then the persons claim that you relied on was shown not to be the point of the fact sheet. yet you still stick with this narrative.

I did write points against some of them, which you have chosen not to acknowledge.

I'm done here. I got overemotional, i'll admit, but this all is going nowhere as always.

Most politics threads around here are bait threads (brought up by all sides), and the mods are going to need to have a talk about it.



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Barozi on 20 December 2012

The US is CLEARLY a third world country regarding gun controls.

Short memo to you. The 18th century is over.



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killerzX on 20 December 2012
Mr Khan said:
killerzX said:
Mr Khan said:
Player1x3 said:
the2real4mafol said:
I don't get it, you Americans are far too obsessed when it comes to your guns. 30 kids died because of how easy it is to get something that is designed to injure or kill.

Wherever you like it or not, what Obama is doing is the right thing to do. I don't know why people need an assault rifle like the AR-15 anyway, if you need a gun for "self-defense", just get a pistol or a baseball bat, that would work fine anyway. Screw the NRA!


So you just ignore all the facts in the document, shut your ears and yell the usual left wing holier than thou crap despite the facts?

The facts in the document are specious at best. I would go so far as to call them usual right-wing pseudo-intellectual claptrap.

please debunk them then. you havent presented any evidence to their contrary of theirs. you have yet to show them as "specious at best". 

you already have shown that you didnt read the stats, that you relied on someone elses claim to push that these facts are distorted, then the persons claim that you relied on was shown not to be the point of the fact sheet. yet you still stick with this narrative.

I did write points against some of them, which you have chosen not to acknowledge.

I'm done here. I got overemotional, i'll admit, but this all is going nowhere as always.

Most politics threads around here are bait threads (brought up by all sides), and the mods are going to need to have a talk about it.

then please provide these points. i can easily refute them.



the2real4mafol on 20 December 2012
Player1x3 said:
the2real4mafol said:
I don't get it, you Americans are far too obsessed when it comes to your guns. 30 kids died because of how easy it is to get something that is designed to injure or kill.

Wherever you like it or not, what Obama is doing is the right thing to do. I don't know why people need an assault rifle like the AR-15 anyway, if you need a gun for "self-defense", just get a pistol or a baseball bat, that would work fine anyway. Screw the NRA!


So you just ignore all the facts in the document, shut your ears and yell the usual left wing holier than thou crap despite the facts?

and you think it's perfect? Some of the "facts" ignore why homicide tends to be higher in some countries, if gun laws are apart of the actual reason, they don't act alone. Economic problems, social issues between different races and neighborhoods and general personal problems play apart in shootings too. I know shootings will happen regardless of what the law says, but the person obviously has some issues if they want to kill anyone. Don't you ever think a persons wealth plays apart in why a crime is committed? You never see a rich person go on a killing spree ever. 

But you may criticise my political beliefs but I hope you know the Right aren't any better. They yell just as much to get what they want, but thankfully most of the time it don't work. You think going to war in 2 countries in the last 10 years for no proper reason was right? But, there are things that socialism get right, things that liberalism get right and things that conservatism get right, none of them are perfect. 



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Mmmfishtacos on 20 December 2012
Barozi said:
The US is CLEARLY a third world country regarding gun controls.

Short memo to you. The 18th century is over.


And the need for guns are not. Dosn't matter what century it is. It will be a very long time before the need goes away if ever. Last time, people will kill gun or no gun.



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sc94597 on 20 December 2012

Our framers constructed the longest lasting and most successful republic in the world. They knew very well what they were doing when they wrote the constitution, and it's evident when you read their works. In fact, I think everybody should read "Common Sense" by Thomas Paine in social studies education, as an American or as a member of any republic. The 2nd Amendment is there to protect us and enable the maximum freedoms so that we can not only live safely, but as we should live - free peoples. That is enough for me. All other arguments are just defensive against those who wish to strip us of our rights in order to control us, or under some fallacious belief that it would better us.

"People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both." - A great man and founder of the political state in which I live, Benjamin Franklin.