I think the difference between myself and dissenters, is that I'm of a realistic understanding of what success constitutes. For example, I'm pretty sure some of the bigger posters on here have called psp a failure, and while vita hasn't exactly done psp numbers, there's plenty of time to improve.

Again, I will ask, would there be a thread if Sony had cut the price. Let's pretend Sony did have enough money to cut it safely, let's pretend these excuse variables didn't exist. Would there have been a thread if Vita had dropped in price previously to selling what 3ds did. Yes. Yes there would.

Even later in its life, even if it becomes more successful than the psp, I imagine there will be all kinds of excuses to continue trolling it.

fair enough, all I know is that the idea that psp is a failure exists, and that a lot of people here say it.

The point being even if sales go even lower than this, as long as the stores keep ordering the PSVita, means there still is demand for the system. Many may have a snarky, condescending and just plain belittling of your view because they may differ from your opinion. well to tell you what.

Fact is pretty much many gamer's today in this thread have shown such attitudes  in this thread of being:

con·de·scend·ing 

belittling

No, you're not, because ITT you mention that the Vita outlasted the 3DS, insinuating that the Vita surpassed the 3DS in a certain benchmark which, once properly analyzed, actually emphasises Sony's inability to reach the expectations they had originally set. Why? It could be due to not having the ability to change strategies, it could be because they hope to reach it at a later date.

All in all this thread goes to show how misled a person can truly be when the value-system is skewed.

All I insinuated is that the Vita managed to keep up sales to past a point where Nintendo deemed it appropriate. I didn't insinuate that any console is better than another. Yours is a strawman argument..you are arguing a point I have not made, but insist on telling me what my own point is based on conjecture and hidden messages.

Wake up.

I really don't get the point of the title then, nor the point of OP. And if you look at Kowen's graphs, it's pretty clear that the 3DS beat the Vita in sales even pre pricedrop, unless you're using the fake aligned launch trends.

To each his own I guess.

It's either this thread is pointless, or my conjecture is correct. Either way, I don't think you have a realistic  understanding of what success constitutes.

EDIT: But I'm sure that's something we can work on through discussion.

Interesting, but considering that the 3DS was all but dead in the water before Nintendo dropped the price and released two of its biggest titles on the platform to date, that doesn't mean much.

Unlike the 3DS, it's looking like the PSV will not be seeing a drastic 180 turnaround any time soon. And in my own opinion, I'm not even sure the platform will see a similar turnaround with a price drop unless it is accompanied by at least two legitimate hardware selling killer apps.

Even as a PSP/PSV owner, I'm not even sure which, if any of the IPs that have shown up on PSP would even qualify.

Any such title showing up exclusively on the PSV would literally be a gift if it were produced by a third party, and I am at a loss when it comes to PS3 IPs that could show up on the PSV that would sell serious hardware.

interesting spin to look the bad vita hard and software sales look better. but it is no more than trying to be a spin doctor.

1. The point of the OP is exactly as it was written. To highlight a little silver lining on the Vita situation. "It isn't as dire as it seems". I mean, that was a line taken directly from the OP. Yes, yes, I understand from all the upstanding people in this thread that Vita took longer, and I know the graphs upon graphs upon graphs, but again, for the fourth time, try to look at it this way: The Vita has managed to hold on without a price drop to a point further than Nintendo allowed 3ds to go.

Obviously Nintendo could've gone for far longer without a price drop, while simultaneously beating the vita in sales. It's lowest week was 40k, and that was the week right before an announced price drop. Vita has seen many weeks at mid 20k. I know the facts already.

2. Why the need for little quips like this?

3. Or you're setting up another little catch-22 for yourself, like you did in the last thread when someone told you to your face, that you misinterpreted the OP. Here's the truth: Your conjecture is wrong, AND the thread is not pointless.

If the Vita can reach and surpass the 3ds in sales based on a period of time judged by a price drop, then there is hope for it yet. Why? Because it demonstrates that while not having the same amount of demand, there actually is still a good amount of demand for it.

3.2 million 3ds' were sold at 250$ with no competition and 3.5 million Vitas were sold at 250+memory card, and some sold at 300+memory card when its main competitor dropped to 179$ upon release day. Don't you think there is some strength in that?

I see many here keep saying its "to spin" bad number's to Make it better in the light of how it is. and that is not the case at all.

I think many in here are quite ready to write off the PSVita when the fact is the PSVita is pretty much a mimic of the PS3 this generation and how it started out in the fact that many of the same people back in 2007 and 2008 were saying the very same thing's about the PS3. many were ready to write the system off!

Only this time the PSVita is not like the PS3 or the PSPGo, for one the forward trend's in Gaming is not so much the living room console, EA games released their publishing dynamic for the next cycle and its not very pretty.

Electronic Arts is in a particularly precarious position, because it must grow its mobile profits without cannibalizing sales of $60 packaged games. 
Its response is a strategy EA calls “fewer, bigger, better.” 
It’s slashing the number of new console and PC games it releases each year from 67 in 2009 to just 22 this year. Next year EA will release just 14 packaged game titles, but it’s doubling down on digital, with more than 30 mobile and social games, building on its library of over 500 mobile titles.  

from 67 
down to 22 
now down to 14 

for game console and PC 

but it increased to with more than 30 mobile and social games ! 

http://www.cnbc.com/id/49923002

both Sony's jack tretton and EA's Peter Moore both had interviews about the future of game distribution and Publishing.

and it's not just them.

What i think many are overlooking is the fact that Multiple core Mobile devices are still high end , but many game's are still designed for single core even in the Mobile space, dual core, quad core etc. it still boils down to the single core being the largest number of smartphones and Tablets in the % of devices in the Mobile market. The Nintendo 3DS is Arm 11, while the PSVita is Arm Cortex A9. The design for both devices were designed not for the same time on the market, Nintendo makes handhelds for turn over of their cycle for far shorter a support cycle than Sony does until the WiiU because there is i doubt any reason to think Nintendo really expected the Wii support cycle to be geared toward extended life on the market, like Sony or Microsoft does.

Just pointing out the way Sony and Nintendo both design their machines Sony is more of designed for longer support cycles, the 3DS has 6 MB of Dedicated Video ram, the PSVita has 128 MB of dedicated video ram, while the main smartphones and Tablets are at most 64 MB.

Take for instance the PSVita has the exact same GPU as the iPad 3 with extra enhancement's, as we have seen even though there will be an iPad 4 and a iPad 5 the core development for software still will be for atleast a few year's the iPad 3 due to install number's. Quad core chips are out now in smartphones , but single core 1 GHz are the base core processor for most games and that will still be that way even into 2014!