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Forums - Sales Discussion - sony narrows gap another million+ during 2012!!!

S.T.A.G.E. said:

Microsoft has been looking for reasons not to drop the cost of the 360's, bundling it with anything they can. The Xbox 360's haven't dropped price in god knows how long. It's only had $100 of the price cut in seven years.

Yeah rrrright. I walk into Mediamarkt and see palettes of  250G XBox $229, 250G Kinect Bundle $269.. Sure looks like no price cut...



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drkohler said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Microsoft has been looking for reasons not to drop the cost of the 360's, bundling it with anything they can. The Xbox 360's haven't dropped price in god knows how long. It's only had $100 of the price cut in seven years.

Yeah rrrright. I walk into Mediamarkt and see palettes of  250G XBox $229, 250G Kinect Bundle $269.. Sure looks like no price cut...


Why do people talk about third party price cuts like its a first party one? Microsoft only cut the 360 price until January. It was done for the holiday season because thats the only time they can outsell Sony. Black Friday sales all the way to Christmas covers the lead Sony usually has which tends to be over a million console lead throughout the year. Even though they lost the year to Sony over and over, they've hold the gap at two million (just above or just under). If it wasnt for forth quarter Sony could've closed the gap a year ago.



theprof00 said:

current gap starting 2012 and ending dec 8, shows a decrease by one full million. With sales as similar as they are beyween the hd wonder twins, that will likely swing further toward ps3 as the sony console tends to outsell during the final week. Gap may increase by 200k up until xmas, but will be reclaimed last week and first week of 2013.

Also, recent updates show the ps3 as having outsold 360 the week after black friday by 30k. Truly an outstanding year for pstriple.

The NEXT GEN will have already started by the time the PS3 catches the XBox 360. So it's pretty much irrelevant. The PS3 will eventually catch the XBox 360, because Sony will keep their system on the market for like 15+ years, while Microsoft will pull there after 10yrs. Knowing Sony, they will try to catch the Wii just to say then won this generation, when in fact they had lost it a long time ago. The Wii has already passed the finish line. The race was over when the Wii U launched. lol!!



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S.T.A.G.E. said:
Godchild1020 said:
It's funny how the X360 got a temporary $50 dollar price cut for the holiday and the PS3 got a $20 dollar price rise after the E3. And the PS3 is still selling as well, if not better. I only mentioned it because both consoles are bundle with a Game or 2 and I would have thought the PS3 would have had lower sales and the X360 would of had a higher sell rate in all areas. With that said, the 360 is still selling better in the US and the PS3 is still selling better in Europe.

But nonetheless, both consoles are doing well with the prices they currently have.

Microsoft has been looking for reasons not to drop the cost of the 360's, bundling it with anything they can. The Xbox 360's haven't dropped price in god knows how long. It's only had $100 of the price cut in seven years. Based on Sonys price cuts the 360 should competitively be around $150. Their bundles have sold stellar so kudos to them.

It's mainly because the XBox 360 isn't selling as well in Europe as it has the previous holidays. It always sells poorly in Japan, which is one of the main reasons the PS3 is even catching up. Remove Japan from the equation and the 360 would be about 5-6 million units ahead of the PS3. There's really no fair ground in Japan (and all of Asia really) as their country and people don't like American game consoles or out games. I usually don't even include Japan in my stats. US & Europe are the only relevant countries.



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QQ more xander.

why would you consider a product that is able to sell for 33% longer amount of time, selling more consoles and games, and make revenue when costs are at their lowest, irrelevant?



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theprof00 said:

QQ more xander.

why would you consider a product that is able to sell for 33% longer amount of time, selling more consoles and games, and make revenue when costs are at their lowest, irrelevant?


I said it's irrelevant to me. I didn't say it was irrelevant to Sony. Nintendo and Microsoft could easily do the same thing, but I'm sure they would rather move on to something bigger and better. Sony is just know for leaving their products on shelves way past their prime. The PS2 has been dead for a long, long time. I think the only hardware Sony seems to have pulled quickly was the PSP Go.



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Miguel_Zorro said:
Gamerace said:
Does this even matter now that the next gen has started?

Who takes 2nd will ultimately depend on who supports their legacy system the longest. Which is pretty irrelevant in the bigger picture.

Enter the Wii fan. 

Yes, it matters even though the next gen has started.  It's about lifetime sales.

Besides, the WiiU can hardly be considered "next gen".

Regardless of your feelings about WiiU, my point is still valid. 

PS3 & 360 are so close in sales that the winner will ultimately be decided by who supports their legacy system longest (almost certain Sony)



 

XanderZane said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Godchild1020 said:
It's funny how the X360 got a temporary $50 dollar price cut for the holiday and the PS3 got a $20 dollar price rise after the E3. And the PS3 is still selling as well, if not better. I only mentioned it because both consoles are bundle with a Game or 2 and I would have thought the PS3 would have had lower sales and the X360 would of had a higher sell rate in all areas. With that said, the 360 is still selling better in the US and the PS3 is still selling better in Europe.

But nonetheless, both consoles are doing well with the prices they currently have.

Microsoft has been looking for reasons not to drop the cost of the 360's, bundling it with anything they can. The Xbox 360's haven't dropped price in god knows how long. It's only had $100 of the price cut in seven years. Based on Sonys price cuts the 360 should competitively be around $150. Their bundles have sold stellar so kudos to them.

It's mainly because the XBox 360 isn't selling as well in Europe as it has the previous holidays. It always sells poorly in Japan, which is one of the main reasons the PS3 is even catching up. Remove Japan from the equation and the 360 would be about 5-6 million units ahead of the PS3. There's really no fair ground in Japan (and all of Asia really) as their country and people don't like American game consoles or out games. I usually don't even include Japan in my stats. US & Europe are the only relevant countries.


Japan doesnt need to be removed from the equation. Microsoft and Sony are both not giving them what they demand from a console at the moment.



Miguel_Zorro said:
Gamerace said:
Miguel_Zorro said:
Gamerace said:
Does this even matter now that the next gen has started?

Who takes 2nd will ultimately depend on who supports their legacy system the longest. Which is pretty irrelevant in the bigger picture.

Enter the Wii fan. 

Yes, it matters even though the next gen has started.  It's about lifetime sales.

Besides, the WiiU can hardly be considered "next gen".

Regardless of your feelings about WiiU, my point is still valid. 

PS3 & 360 are so close in sales that the winner will ultimately be decided by who supports their legacy system longest (almost certain Sony)

Who supports their system the longest will be determined by which console keeps selling, earning the support.

Case in point - Wii sales took a nosedive before the WiiU was announced.  I remember when people here were discussing whether the Wii would eventually outsell the PS2 - it's going to come up 50 million short, because it didn't have longetivity.

Creating a product with legs to sell over the long term has merit.

There are movies like Titanic or E.T. that grow with time.  Then there are movies like Twilight that do massive box office sales at the beginning, but see massive drops week to week.  The Wii is Twilight.  I bought one.  I don't play it.

People don't say Titanic's box office is irrelevant because it stayed in theatres longer to hit the numbers it did, even though it took a relatively long 25 days to reach $200 million.


Yep after the fourth year the casual frenzy with the Wii was over. The glamour of the product was erased from the eyes of the casuals and the console demand plummetted. The Wii U demand did not cause the Wii demand to drop. Once the casuals didn't care it didnt matter.



Miguel_Zorro said:
Gamerace said:
Miguel_Zorro said:
Gamerace said:
Does this even matter now that the next gen has started?

Who takes 2nd will ultimately depend on who supports their legacy system the longest. Which is pretty irrelevant in the bigger picture.

Enter the Wii fan. 

Yes, it matters even though the next gen has started.  It's about lifetime sales.

Besides, the WiiU can hardly be considered "next gen".

Regardless of your feelings about WiiU, my point is still valid. 

PS3 & 360 are so close in sales that the winner will ultimately be decided by who supports their legacy system longest (almost certain Sony)

Who supports their system the longest will be determined by which console keeps selling, earning the support.

Case in point - Wii sales took a nosedive before the WiiU was announced.  I remember when people here were discussing whether the Wii would eventually outsell the PS2 - it's going to come up 50 million short, because it didn't have longetivity.

Creating a product with legs to sell over the long term has merit.

There are movies like Titanic or E.T. that grow with time.  Then there are movies like Twilight that do massive box office sales at the beginning, but see massive drops week to week.  The Wii is Twilight.  I bought one.  I don't play it.

People don't say Titanic's box office is irrelevant because it stayed in theatres longer to hit the numbers it did, even though it took a relatively long 25 days to reach $200 million.

You're oversimplying it.

Sony is well known to support old consoles for long periods and has an amazing pipeline into developing countries.  PS2 still sells well in some countries to this day.

MS on the other hand isn't available in a lot of those same countries and they abandoned the original Xbox completely after 360 came out.    I expect 360 will be much better supported (as it's sold much better) after the next system releases, but very unlikely as well as PS3 will be.

As for your Wii hate.  Whatever.  Neither system is likely to ever catch the Wii's sales.  That's just life.  Doesn't matter to me one way or the other.  I'm more interested in what's happening with this current/coming gen.