http://www.neowin.net/news/gamers/08/01/15/playstation-3-now-costs-sony-400-to-manufacture 

ahhaha ill try to type so you people can read it.

here in the link states facts. 

 and now i have a question where in the time since the 360 and ps3 price was dropped did they lose sales long term. in fact both the ps3 and 360 sold a lot better AFTER the price drop and not before. that is a fact. i want you to send me a link stating proof that after a price drop a  (not from sega but from the main 3)  system sold less.

i do not see how my arguement has changed in the least because i metioned everything he metioned and answered it. i would love for you to explain a little more how ps3 is now selling more then 360 AFTER the price drop and how that will hurt sony in the long run?

Can you read that??

Please answer these questions i would love to here your answer.

You can talk about my spelling all you want but i have facts you have no ever said anything that is a fact. in fact the other guy agreed with a lot of the things i was saying........

Ok, i wasnt disputing the $400 price, i just wanted a link :P

Ok, well, i never ever said in my post that the 360 and PS3 price drops caused their sales to drop. I did not say that. I said "in the short term there will be a significant sale increase, but not in the long term if price cuts are done repeatedly". Constant price cuts can make the consumer cautious; an example (maybe not a very good example, but an exemple nonetheless) is with HD DVD. There were constant HD DVD price cuts, which begs the question -that some consumers asked-, "Why has there been another price cut?". This then lead to insecurity about the format, such as beliefs that it was put at a cheaper price to match the "superior" blu ray format.This isnt a very good example, as Blu ray had massive advantages over HD DVD, but i hope from this you will be able to catch my drift on what i was saying.

About your changing argument.. well, im sorry if i misaccused you there, but from your multiple arguments i just saw constant changes, and it ended up being very little about the original subject.

About the PS3 selling more than the 360... well, for how long has it been selling more than the 360? Not very long, and things do change. Only time will tell whether the 360 will go ahead again or stay behind.

How will the PS3 outselling the 306 hurt them in the long run? well, it wont... i didnt say that if i recall correctly :P

ok so u jumped in for nuthin (o look spelling)

and common sense (which some do not have) would tell you HD-DVD was already being outsold SINCE IT DROPPED so THATS is the ONLY reason people didnt care if the price changed. evryone wants blu-ray and thats why the price dropped because it was failing. 1 million HD-DVD players almost 10 million playstation 3s. people want the playstation not the HD-DVD and another price drop in THIS CASE will only help.. as the last price cut  had long term effects. i do not think the ps3 ever outsold the 360 as it is now. so there is your long term for you.

Jumped in for nothing? I just dont like how everything you say is somehow stated as "fact"? all your "facts" have basically been opinionated. Saying that you believe that everyone will be willing to spend extra for all the features on the PS3 is an opinion, not fact; i for one would not be willing to do that, and i bet many people here would take the same stance.
This is a forum, there are meant to be debates. I didnt jump into this debate for no reason, i entered it to give my views and opinions, as you did. But you stated that you were saying facts, when most of you "facts" were in fact opinions. I entered the agument to dispute some of your points, as you are meant to do on forums.

Also, about the HD DVD, i did not say it was the sole reason... What i did say can be seen as a reason however; maybe not a significant one in terms of the PS3-hd dvd ratio, but i clearly stated in my post that it was a bad example, but an example neverthless. 

Remember that mass market price ww would be at least 50$ more now than in 2000 due to global financial growth. So if that was 199$ before, it's probably more like 249$ now, a fact I'm sure Nintendo considered when pricing the Wii (which frankly isn't very cheap in comparison when taken into account the massive difference in hardware costs to produce it).

@tk1989--i like how some people will use other systems to try and proove their shifting logic, but when asked to be proven wrong have to limit others

i agree with your price point--if i have to similar items on a shelf and one has had the price dropped multiple time and the other is still just steamrolling along i am going to wonder why the company is cutting price so much--is something efective, less then, or wanting about said product

also good point about people buying the system just for the blu ry--sony has commericals/ads just for this feature and dont even mention the fact it is a game machine

"why would someone who wants just games spend extra money on something they will not use?), " thank you i am not alone here

also good point about the ps2 start b/c of price---the wii didnt suffer from that as much b/c people are more comfortable spending the 250 mark now--and if i remember for a while the gamecube and ps2 were pretty close in price wernt they?

well since ps3 is selling at a fast paste (what console do u no that started at 600 and did not die?) i think some people are willing to pay more u might not be one of them but i was.I gave you a link to prove my point where is yours? i still am watitng to see how a price drop on console will hurt them in the long run case i just dont see it. yes this is a forum but you bashed me not the other dude so ima do the same.

and your right HD-dvd was a bad example so why did you use it?

yea ps3 (600) and wii (250) is much different then GCN( 200) and (ps2) 299 thats very true. we all made good points but the point i am trying to make is the the customer is looking for value. not always the cheapest price. and ps2 with online, DVD and ps3 with blu-ray and online and etc. is vaule. i no when i justify buying a ps3 it better have games and movies and thats what some not all look at.

not everyone wants a system that only plays games lol.

Because, it was an example :P lol. The use of HD DVD was to help prove a point i was trying to make. yes, many people believed Bluray was the superior format etc and bought it solely for that reason, but are you honestly telling me that you would not be put off by constant price cuts on a product? If you were wanting a certain game, and the price of it was cut multiple times in a short period of time would you not be concerned that said game was in fact rubbish? not worth your hard earned cash? that you should maybe spend your money on a safer buy? Why spend £20 on lair when you can spend £30 on Resistance? Are you honestly telling me that you would not be swayed? that you would be willing to fling cash around like there is no tomorrow? well, most consumers (the "average joe") does not have this luxury, and when doubt is in their mind they generally become cautious about their purchase, especially if its gonna set them back a couple hundred dollars...

Yes,some people are willing to pay extra for certain features, but i would say that the majority of people arent (to a certain degree). Ive explained this before. Some people want the extra features, some dont, and some dont give a shit about it.

Also, what do you want me to link?

And, the Ps2 cost 300 quid in the uk, which translates into around $600 (using current exchange rates). the PS3 also has the massive brand name behind it.  

@Dno--alright every time i think i am out you pull me back in ......heres some info for you just b/c a munfacturing cost is one price does not mean its all the money the company is spending on that product you have to figure in advertising as well as overhead... so sure parts and labor (product cost) for that item might be just 400 but then you have its overhead/marketing/etc (period cost) to figure in as well so as far as you know they could still be bleeding a load for each one they sell

so your link does not "proove" it just kinda supports

also some (not everyone like you seem to think) people dont want the playstation, they want the blu-ray from it keep that in mind

"evryone wants blu-ray and thats why the price dropped because it was failing" --i think you are trying to say everyone wants blu-ray over HD DVD (but i can prove thats false b/c i am going to wait till i can pay 3 dollars and download the movie in HD)

so i have to ask if they lowered the price b/c everyone wanted it rather then the other why is the wii's price still the same?

and very few of my points did you answer, insted you do what many governments do which is called scarecrowing (puting up dummie points to try and take away from the main point) that is why tk1989 had trouble folowing your argument

now please dont way anything silly again there are other threads i would like to post in