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http://www.meritline.com/airlink101-awll6075-golden-n-wireless-mini-usb-adapter---p-38742.aspx

Free ground shipping to the U.S. and good return policy.

    General Return Policy:

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I actually use this one myself.



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BlueFalcon said:

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Aaah good points! I'm no experienced builder which is why i didnt initially share my build suggestions.

But i recently did a build and just gave my thoughts. I personally dont like to buy sub $200 mobos. I also made it clear that my suggestions were on the expensive side.

Also i don't think he plans to overclock so a stock cpu cooler should be fine for now?



Intel Core i7 3770K [3.5GHz]|MSI Big Bang Z77 Mpower|Corsair Vengeance DDR3-1866 2 x 4GB|MSI GeForce GTX 560 ti Twin Frozr 2|OCZ Vertex 4 128GB|Corsair HX750|Cooler Master CM 690II Advanced|

Soleron said:
cloud1161 said:
Soleron said:
cloud1161 said:
 I got my AMD FX 4100 CPU for $95 and it has virtually the same specs as that CPU. It's quad-core 3.6 GHz, 4.1 GHz overclock.

And you're the only reason anyone is buying AMD CPUs these days. It's the old Pentium 4 problem in reverse.

No need to get offensive here.  One of the main reasons I chose an AMD processor was because every computer or laptop I've ever owned had Intel processors and I wanted to change things up.  I don't hold prejudice over either company unlike alot of people on this site (not saying you do, just some other people hold alot of bias one way or the other).

wut

http://techreport.com/review/22835/review-intel-core-i7-3770k-ivy-bridge-processor/19

i7 3770K = 225 performance, 4 cores, 3.5GHz base clock
FX-8150 =  160 performance, 8 cores, 3.6GHz base clock
Let us assume, conservatively, that performance scales with square root of core count

Hence Ivy Bridge = (225/160)*(3.6/3.5)*(SQRT(8)/SQRT(4)= more than 2x the per-clock performance of AMD

Hence the CPU he chose, i5 3570K, is about twice as fast as the FX-4100 you're suggesting and hence is the better choice even if you had a company preference.

That's right, processors with the same core count and clock speed can perform vastly differently!

I like AMD but they're extremely dead.

 

Well. My Core i7 3930K @ 4.8ghz is about twice as fast as my old Phenom 2 x6 1090T @4ghz+3ghz NB when it comes to encoding, so it's not far off the mark, especially with the Phenom 2 being faster than the FX in single threads, however the Core i7 has Hyper Threading which gives it a boost in such tasks.
As for gaming? I noticed zero difference. (Then again at 5760x1080, it's to be expected.)

If I were to choose a system  for gaming and had a choice between the FX 4100 and a Core i7 3570K but the FX had a Radeon 7970 and the i7 had a Radeon 7870 to keep prices similar, I'll go for the FX every damn time, the GPU has the largest impact on games performance these days.

But it's silly to think AMD's chips can't play games, it's simply not true, when the budget calls for it, go for it and get a better GPU or an SSD instead.



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BlueFalcon said:
Shinobi-san said:
The MSI Mpower Z77 mobi: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130660

Since he is trying to maximize his gaming performance, the motherboard and RAM should be the first places to cut costs. If it matters,  you can get DDR3-2800 support, SLI and CF support and a ton of features in the $120 Asrock Z77 Extreme 4. The mobo you linked is $190.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157293

Actually even Extreme 3 has most of those features in tact and it was $110 not long ago on Newegg. Instead of spending $$ on a board that supports WiFi, which tend to be high-end ones, it's more cost effective to just add a wireless USB for $10-13:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833166055


I won't have a choice on this matter. I can't do a 200$ board without waiting more and I really wanna get this pc sooner than later. I've really been liking the sound of the Asrock Z77 Extreme 4. Impressive for it's price.



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On the topic of overclocking:

That's something I won't be looking at until later on. 3 to 6 months from now I may want to get better performance for a certain game and I'll do some more spending on better cooling and probably invest in a SSD. For right now, just looking to build something solid for Skyrim, Far Cry 3, Saint's Row 3, Arkham City (a few others but can't think of them right now).



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Not sure if you bought Saints Row the 3rd yet but Steam has the Full franchise pack for $7.49:
http://store.steampowered.com/sub/17933/



BlueFalcon said:
Not sure if you bought Saints Row the 3rd yet but Steam has the Full franchise pack for $7.49:
http://store.steampowered.com/sub/17933/


I got it already through the humble bundle. 



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Dgc, I found some deals for you:

MSI N660TI-2GD5/OC GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB + Assassin's Creed 3 = $230 after $25 rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127711&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10440897&PID=3332167&SID=u00000687

PNY VCGGTX670XPB GeForce GTX 670 2GB + Assassin's Creed 3 + Borderlands 2 = $280 after $40 rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133452&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10440897&PID=3332167&SID=u00000687

Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Profile CL9 = $36
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148662

G.SKILL Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory Model F3-14900CL9D-8GBSR = $40 after $10 off w/ promo code EMCJHHN53 at checkout, ends Dec 26th
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231460

XFX Core Edition PRO550W (P1-550S-XXB9) 550W ATX12V 2.2 & ESP12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply = $40 after $15 MIR and $15 off w/ promo code EMCJHHN63, ends Dec 26th
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207013






Great thread bookmarking for later just incase I need it as I am sure if I want to wait a few months for the new Intel architecture to come out.

Still not sure myself if I will go nvidia or amd route for gpu. Money is no barrier for me. Just want to find the best performance. Also if nextgen consoles do end up using AMD, perhaps it might e the path to go down as multiplatform games will be better optimised for amd in theory.



 

 

Cobretti2,

I still can't find reliable information on the timing for Haswell's launch but we are starting to get a clearer sense of the timeline. VR-Zone reports April 2013 for high-end Quad core i5/i7 parts and Q2 2013 and later for i3s and low power consumption quads.
http://chinese.vr-zone.com/43824/intel-haswell-cpu-will-release-at-2013-q2-with-13-model-including-4770k-4670k-for-overclocking-12112012/

The chart for the likely clocks and models.


http://www.techpowerup.com/177066/Intel-Core-quot-Haswell-quot-Quad-Core-Desktop-CPU-Lineup-Detailed.html

i5 4670K replaces i5 3570K
i7 4770K replaces i7 3770K

Interestingly enough TDP is 84W, up from 77W, but I am guessing most of that is coming from the more powerful GPU onboard not the CPU itself. The clocks are also unchanged in both stock and Turbo boosted modes, implying Intel is counting on IPC increases from the new architecture. I am somewhat disappointed that Intel isn't even bumping up the clocks given that 22nm node will have had a year to mature by the time Haswell launches.

As far as your choice to find the best GPU (money no barrier), then you should definitely wait to rebuild everything around Haswell and a $500+ GPU. It makes no sense now to spend $470-500 on a GTX680/7970Ghz as those parts are nearly a year old. There are deals to be had like you can pick up 2x GTX670s for $560 now which is amazing given that each such card was $400 at launch. If you want the best though, and have the $ for it, might as well wait to April-May since you seems like you are not in a rush and evaluate your choices between GTX770 SLI / GTX780 / GTX790 or HD8970, etc.  For dual cores or more, I'd lean towards Nvidia as SLI tends to feel smoother in gaming than Crossfire does in terms of micro-stutter. Of course for the latest and greatest that would me $1,000 in NV GPUs. I never suggest to future-proof like that. It's one thing to spend $50-100 more on a GPU but $1000 only make sense for people who have a lot of disposable income and resell their GPUs frequently, recouping some of the value after depreciation. You are essentially better off getting just enough and then upgrading more often than buying $1000 of GPUs and keeping them for 5-6 years in hopes of futureproofing. 

For instance, GTX280 was $649 around June 2008 and by April 2009, HD4890 delivered similar performance for about $260. GTX480 launched for $500 on March 2010 but by December 2010, GTX570 delivered the same performance for $350. GTX580 was $500 when it launched on December 2010 and now you can see GTX660Ti selling for $220 with faster performance just 2 years later. If you don't mind buying $800-1000 of GPUs and reselling them right before the next generation of cards launches, thus minimizing your ownership costs, then it can work well :)