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PS3 probably would have won the gen, and the wii would probably have sold a few less consoles but the wii obviously still would have been a huge success. Honestly if the PS3 was $400 in 2005, it may have been the last console for microsoft. If Sony would have just dropped the whole bluray thing, they would have been able to sell so many more systems.
This is all assuming that the PS3 would have been similar to the 360 in power and used DVDs. Lets face it, back in 2005 all things equal most people would have bought a playstation over an xbox. This whole idea that the reason the PS3 is having good legs is because of the power of the system is rubbish. Ever heard of the PS2? that had pretty damn good legs i believe.


would you prefer this outcome in comparison to now? would you be happy if the xbox hadn't been a huge success and only 2 competitors were left?

not saying it's a good thing if that happens.  It just shows what horrible decisions Sony made with the PS3, the $600 price tag goes along with Nintendo using cartridges with the N64 as one of the dumbest decisions ever made. Actually given the massive losses Sony took it is the dumbest decision by far, at least Nintendo never lost money.  It doesn't mean those were bad systems, in fact both those systems are awesome.   

Competition is the best thing for gamers, so i welcome it with open arms.  The more parity the better, and looking at the 3 systems with pretty similar sales i'm very pleased.  

 

exactly what i think. without strong competition there is only one loser: the gamer. but sadly when reading posts here it comes to my mind that some people are only satisfied if "their" console "wins" which doesn't count in any way - it's the games that count. ok, nowadays a few other things, too, like psn(+) or xbl but really, we buy consoles for games. the situation right now couldn't be better for us - we have 3 strong brands which all had huge success this gen and i hope next-gen we don't lose one competitor.

I don't know when Sony was dominant with PS1 and PS2 we had 2 awesome generations.  It's the developers that make innovation and they always have to compete for sales no matter which platform they go on.  So while I am thankful that Sony had to do stuff like PS+ and lowering their price to compete with MS, I would rather see things like 100 million PS3s and 50 million 360s right now.  I just don't like how microsoft tricks people into thinking their system is cheaper by having a non-existent memory and making you pay to use anything online.  I wouldn't mind a world of just Nintendo and Sony.  Hell it used to just be Nintendo and Sega and everyone seemed happy with their SNES and Genesis.

the market wasn't big enough back then to carry 3 consoles.  We're looking at a gen here with close to 300 million consoles sold, when the SNES and genesis were around it was what?  80 million?

ok but I'm just saying 2 consoles is enough to keep competition going.  I also wouldn't mind Sega replacing Microsoft.  I just wish Microsoft wouldn't focus so much on online and multimedia and offer thier own library of games.  I also hate how they rely on tricking people like with the 4gb, live fees, and making people think COD is only on 360.  I guess it's just the stupidity of people I'm hating on because it's frustrating to see COD sell so much then have an amazing game like Resistance 3 not sell well partially due to Sony not having the dominance it once did.  A world with 100 million Wiis and 100 million PS3s sounds fine to me.

If you can't see how the 360 is making the PS3 a better console than i dont' know what to say to you.  Competition is the lifeblood of the market, and forces the companies to compete for better hardware, software, customer service and exclusives.  They are competing for your dollars, and you choose which one to buy  ased on your tastes.  Like it or not the 4 gb 360 is plenty good enough for a lot of people, especially the casual crowd the 360 is trying to cater to with it.  I think it's funny that you bring up Resistance when even the PS3 crowd is shunning it for COD.  Each Resistance has sold less than the previous one, it's probably a dead series now.  It sounds to me like you are just bitter that the 360 is eating into the PS3 sales because Sony made so many mistakes this gen.

sorry but I saw a much better variety of best sellers last gen.  I don't mind Nintendo doing great they're a company in it for the gamer.  Microsoft on the other hand only entered gaming because they didn't want the other companie's OSs to begin to eb away at their OS market dominance.  They knew online functionality would improve on consoles to the point where people may use them more than PCs and so they acted to protect that market.  I can't blame them but having Sega instead of them, even if Sony were still in third, would be better for the gamer.

You may believe that, but most people don't agree with you, hence the sales of the xbox that people have been voluntarily buying for 7 years.  People don't seem to get that the sales are a measure of the entire market, and you are 1 person in that 260 million consoles sold.  Everyone has their preference, and people's preferences are overall better met when there is more people competing to meet your wants and needs.  Tricking someone into buying something isn't going to get you very far before it backfires.  The 360 has more than earned it's place 7 years from launch still selling massive amounts of consoles.  People have been saying for years that the wii is bad for gamers etc, but that's just the selfish opinion of 1 person, the sales are proof that is not the case.

I dont' care what reason Microsoft had to join the console race, every company is in it for the money.  Everyone corporation on earth is in business for selfish reasons, but in order to be successful they have to provide a good or service that customers voluntarily buy.  If they win the console war it is because that is what most consumer wanted, it doesn't matter the reason why they did it. 



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wow, that's quite an outcome this thread has :)
at least the op has stated his opinion which is arguable but ok. to me it's clear that gaming would be different now without ms. the moaning about ms pretends cod is exclusive to x360 is legit but i don't here someone moaning sony pretending fifa 13 is exclusive to ps3 as they did.
another thing is the funny part regarding sony and nintendo would suffice - by the time back then the market was stuffed with sega and nintendo, there was no need for sony but they wanted to rule the market and they did. so why is this not possible for ms? because of their intentions? ridiculous. and of course, a market consisting of only nintendo and sony is not a real market as they are targeting different groups which means that sony dominates core-gamers and nintendo casuals. this is *not* called competition.



walsufnir said:
wow, that's quite an outcome this thread has :)
at least the op has stated his opinion which is arguable but ok. to me it's clear that gaming would be different now without ms. the moaning about ms pretends cod is exclusive to x360 is legit but i don't here someone moaning sony pretending fifa 13 is exclusive to ps3 as they did.
another thing is the funny part regarding sony and nintendo would suffice - by the time back then the market was stuffed with sega and nintendo, there was no need for sony but they wanted to rule the market and they did. so why is this not possible for ms? because of their intentions? ridiculous. and of course, a market consisting of only nintendo and sony is not a real market as they are targeting different groups which means that sony dominates core-gamers and nintendo casuals. this is *not* called competition.

I don't know Nintendo likes to have hardcore too if they can.  SNES, N64, and even Gamecube to an extent tried for hardcore.




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Xbox might not have been successful but i guess we will never know. Microsoft can compete with price take huge losses while Sony cant. Sony would have gone broke and Microsoft would have completed what they originally set out to do when they decided to enter the gaming industry.



How powerful would ps3 have been if it released nov 2006 in $299 and $399 skus and losing about $100-150 on each unit sold and had no blu ray? Something like right in the middle of wii and 360?



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zorg1000 said:
How powerful would ps3 have been if it released nov 2006 in $299 and $399 skus and losing about $100-150 on each unit sold and had no blu ray? Something like right in the middle of wii and 360?


In a timeline I've worked on, I figured that a console at that price at that time would have been about as powerful as the Vita, give or take. The question is, what great PS3 exclusive could and couldn't work on the VIta?



I honestly didn't think it would've made much difference. Whatever extra power came from the Cell was never tapped into in a way that made the PS3's hardware advantage consistently unambigious. And the most hype and excitement was for the Wii, which had broader appeal and still would've been much cheaper. Even if the PS3 managed to get ahead, I don't know if it would've been able to match the Wii.

A more interesting question to me would be like this:

Say Sony still released the PS3 at the same price, but abandoned the Cell and Blu-ray support in exchange for a system with similar hardware to the 360--but more raw CPU/GPU power and memory. What could've they have done with the system in that context? How much more powerful would it have been? If PS3 games looked and ran significantly better, how would it have affected sales?



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I honestly didn't think it would've made much difference. Whatever extra power came from the Cell was never tapped into in a way that made the PS3's hardware advantage consistently unambigious. And the most hype and excitement was for the Wii, which had broader appeal and still would've been much cheaper. Even if the PS3 managed to get ahead, I don't know if it would've been able to match the Wii.

A more interesting question to me would be like this:

Say Sony still released the PS3 at the same price, but abandoned the Cell and Blu-ray support in exchange for a system with similar hardware to the 360--but more raw CPU/GPU power and memory. What could've they have done with the system in that context? How much more powerful would it have been? If PS3 games looked and ran significantly better, how would it have affected sales?

interesting.  So I'm guessing in this scenario Sony is still taking a $200 loss on every system?  If so they could easily put a gb of RAM in it and get better multiplats along with get their exclusives out earlier since the devs wouldn't have to master the cell.  GT5 could've come out a year or 2 earlier so that would be huge.  I shutter to think what ND could've done with an easy system with more power after seeing Last of Us.




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Both consoles would be pretty weak and wouldn't last more than 5 years, so they'd need to release new consoles in 2009-2010.

Next gen will be longer than this current gen, so new consoles must be powerful enough to last. Forget about cheap consoles.



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zorg1000 said:
How powerful would ps3 have been if it released nov 2006 in $299 and $399 skus and losing about $100-150 on each unit sold and had no blu ray? Something like right in the middle of wii and 360?


In a timeline I've worked on, I figured that a console at that price at that time would have been about as powerful as the Vita, give or take. The question is, what great PS3 exclusive could and couldn't work on the VIta?

Well we've already seen that Vita can handle Uncharted, Resistance, CoD and Assassins Creed, some of those games weren't recieved well but thats not because of the hardware. Games like GoW 3, Uncharted, Last of Us wouldn't look as good but I dont see any reason why they wouldn't still be released.



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