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Do you support this move by the UN?

Yes 71 74.74%
 
No 20 21.05%
 
Don't Know / See Results 3 3.16%
 
Total:94

Hopefully this will help pressure Israel into removing the hundreds of settlements they have built in the West Bank.



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Rath said:
I don't see a problem with this at all. I mean nearly everyone agrees Palestine should eventually be a state - what is the problem in elevating their status to observer state status in the UN?


It totally ignores Israeli sovereignty over palestinian land?



I think they deserve their own state. The jews took away the palestines their land and made their own country on it. Now they act like it is their right to murder the palestines and so on. Letting this happen was one of the biggest mistakes the west ever made. Anyone who supports israel on this one is just a fool and should take some history lessons.



Rath said:
I don't see a problem with this at all. I mean nearly everyone agrees Palestine should eventually be a state - what is the problem in elevating their status to observer state status in the UN?


A) What's recognized is Fatah.  Not Palestine.  In 2006 Hamas won a majority of seats and shoud of taken control over the Palestinian government.   Even in the recent elections, Fatah struggled despite Hamas boycotting said elections.   Does it really make sense to recognize a government the people haven't chosen?

B) The above, except backwords...  Fatah is unpopuar right now.  As it fades further eventually they may need to let Hamas control Palestine.  Either that or to prevent it... a full out western dictatator.  So it either allows Palestines recognized government to be terrorists.  Or to prevent this forces a dictator on the scene.  Much eaiser to deal with Hamas while they're official.

C)  It's not a state.  Everyone agrees it should be a state... at the same time... it's not.  I mean hell.  There are states that currently exist that don't have UN observer status yet are far more deserving.

Like say Taiwan.  



a) I can't believe the Canadian government voted against this... This is what a conservative majority under Harper does >_>
b) While this seems like a large step forward, I don't think that there will ever truly be peace until Israel-US relations relax a bit... I mean it seems like the media in the US, both left and right is obsessed with Israel being the focal point of everything the US does in terms of foreign relations...

Ron Paul put it best:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54Xkuf0E444



 

 

 

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maximrace said:
I think they deserve their own state. The jews took away the palestines their land and made their own country on it. Now they act like it is their right to murder the palestines and so on. Letting this happen was one of the biggest mistakes the west ever made. Anyone who supports israel on this one is just a fool and should take some history lessons.

That's... not remotely what happened... that's silly.  If anyone needs a history lesson it's  you.

First off... if anybody took the Palestinian's land it was the UK.  Who took it from the Ottomans... who took it from the Malmulak Egptians (non arabs), who took it from the Kurds, who i beleive took it from the Crusaders?

Either way, the UK negotiated with the Palestinian leadership of the time to let Jewish people move in, in exchange for well... development.  Since the Jewish people moving in were rich, were paying for the land they settled in and were building up the local economy.

The arabs backtracked on the deal, largely because the UK screwed the arabs.

See... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faisal%E2%80%93Weizmann_Agreement

Then the UK, taking soverignty from the Palestinians allowed Jewish people to BUY land from the Palestinians.  Not steal it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_land_purchase_in_Palestine

UN plan made, Palestinians disagreed, wars happened, the arabs lost and lost a lot of land that way... and here we are.0

 

If you blame anybody.  You don't blame the Jews.  You blame the UK and the greedy palestinian elite, who sold land to make a quick buck. (Many of which are major figures or the fathers of major figures in Palestine.)  All the jews did was buy unincorporated land that people were willing to sell to them after the foreign purchase laws were removed.



This is brilliant news, the sooner Palestine (at it's current borders) become a country, the sooner we should have peace there hopefully. The conflict there just has to stop, it has gone on for too long



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Kasz216 said:
C)  It's not a state.  Everyone agrees it should be a state... at the same time... it's not.  I mean hell.  There are states that currently exist that don't have UN observer status yet are far more deserving.

Like say Taiwan.  


Or Tibet maybe



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Kasz216 said:
maximrace said:
I think they deserve their own state. The jews took away the palestines their land and made their own country on it. Now they act like it is their right to murder the palestines and so on. Letting this happen was one of the biggest mistakes the west ever made. Anyone who supports israel on this one is just a fool and should take some history lessons.

That's... not remotely what happened... that's silly.  If anyone needs a history lesson it's  you.

First off... if anybody took the Palestinian's land it was the UK.  Who took it from the Ottomans... who took it from the Malmulak Egptians (non arabs), who took it from the Kurds, who i beleive took it from the Crusaders?

Either way, the UK negotiated with the Palestinian leadership of the time to let Jewish people move in, in exchange for well... development.  Since the Jewish people moving in were rich, were paying for the land they settled in and were building up the local economy.

The arabs backtracked on the deal, largely because the UK screwed the arabs.

See... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faisal%E2%80%93Weizmann_Agreement

Then the UK, taking soverignty from the Palestinians allowed Jewish people to BUY land from the Palestinians.  Not steal it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_land_purchase_in_Palestine

UN plan made, Palestinians disagreed, wars happened, the arabs lost and lost a lot of land that way... and here we are.0

 

If you blame anybody.  You don't blame the Jews.  You blame the UK and the greedy palestinian elite, who sold land to make a quick buck. (Many of which are major figures or the fathers of major figures in Palestine.)  All the jews did was buy unincorporated land that people were willing to sell to them after the foreign purchase laws were removed.

This doesn't paint a full picture of history. You have to account for the Zionist movement, for the civil war in 1947-1948, and for the war in 1948 (and resulting exodus). It's not true that Arabs living in what is now Israel/Palestine suffered only because of British mandatory powers, and their own corrupt leadership.

Not by a long shot.



the2real4mafol said:
Kasz216 said:
C)  It's not a state.  Everyone agrees it should be a state... at the same time... it's not.  I mean hell.  There are states that currently exist that don't have UN observer status yet are far more deserving.

Like say Taiwan.  


Or Tibet maybe


No. Just no