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Metallicube on 25 November 2012

Third party doesn't sell on Nintendo confirmed 



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JWeinCom on 25 November 2012
shakarak said:
MDMAlliance said:
shakarak said:
Dissapointed with Bravely Defaults numbers, but Impressed by Kingdom Hearts numbers


It also sucks because there wont be as much incentive to make new series if sales do not improve for the game.  However, we still have to look at the fact that Bravely Default is Japan-only sales.  If it gets localized, it's possible numbers can jump considerably.  Hopefully, because those who have played it pretty much loved it.


not much of an explanation for Tales of Abyss' sales numbers though.  I'd like to see some of these RPGS sell better, seems like they underperform.

Considering that tales is a port of a years old PS2 game, I think that number is pretty respectable.



pokoko on 25 November 2012
Chandler said:

Install base kills the Vita and I have a feeling that whatever Sony does about it will be too late. I'm pretty sure most third parties have jumped ship by now and even if the Vita starts a glorious comeback it would take a lot of time for third parties to release something meaningful. I don't see how Sony could keep the Vita afloat alone for a year until third parties have something to show.

 

Vita hardware is pretty decent but the Software is just garbage to mediocre for the most part. Maybe I'm just buying the wrong games.

Honestly, there really is no reason for developers to jump ship en masse.  It would be a bad mistake.  It would end up with a truck load of games on one system all under-performing.  The wiser developers and publishers know that developing another market would allow chances to make their product stand out more.  None of the major players in Japan want to see only one handheld completely take over, it would be a bad for thier business in the long run.

Sony's major concern right now is getting developers to switch over from the PSP, not the 3DS.  PSP support in Japan is still amazing.



Scisca on 25 November 2012

My thought.

3DS: 22.64 consoles -> 23.62 3rd party games
Vita: 3.34 consoles -> 4.45 3rd party games

The % ratio is much better for Vita and remember that we have P4G, AC:L and CoD just out now, 3 third party games that actually sell well and will easily get over 0.25 next week (except for CoD, but it will probably get there sooner or later). Also a funny thing:

23.62 - 22.64 = 0.98
4.45 - 3.34 = 1.11
;)

Vita gamers are more willing to buy 3rd party games. The average sales of a game at 0.08 for 3.34 Vitas vs. 0.14 for 22.64 3DS? This would indicate that 6 million Vita gamers would put the average sale over the 3DS score. This is something that can matter, but in order for this to become a factor, Vita finally needs to start to sell. It has to reach that 6 million level as soon as possible, early next year would be awesome. This shows that Vita can sell much less hardware and still win over the 3rd parties, but it has to sell. It's not selling now.



Wii U is a GCN 2 - I called it months before the release!

My Vita to-buy list: The Walking Dead, Persona 4 Golden, Need for Speed: Most Wanted, TearAway, Ys: Memories of Celceta, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, History: Legends of War, FIFA 13, Final Fantasy HD X, X-2, Worms Revolution Extreme, The Amazing Spiderman, Batman: Arkham Origins Blackgate - too many no-gaemz :/

My consoles: PS2 Slim, PS3 Slim 320 GB, PSV 32 GB, Wii, DSi.

MDMAlliance on 25 November 2012
Scisca said:
My thought.

3DS: 22.64 consoles -> 23.62 3rd party games
Vita: 3.34 consoles -> 4.45 3rd party games

The % ratio is much better for Vita and remember that we have P4G, AC:L and CoD just out now, 3 third party games that actually sell well and will easily get over 0.25 next week (except for CoD, but it will probably get there sooner or later). Also a funny thing:

23.62 - 22.64 = 0.98
4.45 - 3.34 = 1.11
;)

Vita gamers are more willing to buy 3rd party games. The average sales of a game at 0.08 for 3.34 Vitas vs. 0.14 for 22.64 3DS? This would indicate that 6 million Vita gamers would put the average sale over the 3DS score. This is something that can matter, but in order for this to become a factor, Vita finally needs to start to sell. It has to reach that 6 million level as soon as possible, early next year would be awesome. This shows that Vita can sell much less hardware and still win over the 3rd parties, but it has to sell. It's not selling now.


I knew someone would say this, but that definitely isn't conclusive at all.  Fact is that the Vita's 1st party titles barely sell anything (comparatively speaking), which means that the ratio almost has to be higher.



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Scisca on 25 November 2012
MDMAlliance said:
Scisca said:
My thought.

3DS: 22.64 consoles -> 23.62 3rd party games
Vita: 3.34 consoles -> 4.45 3rd party games

The % ratio is much better for Vita and remember that we have P4G, AC:L and CoD just out now, 3 third party games that actually sell well and will easily get over 0.25 next week (except for CoD, but it will probably get there sooner or later). Also a funny thing:

23.62 - 22.64 = 0.98
4.45 - 3.34 = 1.11
;)

Vita gamers are more willing to buy 3rd party games. The average sales of a game at 0.08 for 3.34 Vitas vs. 0.14 for 22.64 3DS? This would indicate that 6 million Vita gamers would put the average sale over the 3DS score. This is something that can matter, but in order for this to become a factor, Vita finally needs to start to sell. It has to reach that 6 million level as soon as possible, early next year would be awesome. This shows that Vita can sell much less hardware and still win over the 3rd parties, but it has to sell. It's not selling now.


I knew someone would say this, but that definitely isn't conclusive at all.  Fact is that the Vita's 1st party titles barely sell anything (comparatively speaking), which means that the ratio almost has to be higher.

Yes, I am aware of that, but the "good" thing is, that there is no sign for the 1st party Vita games to gain much momentum, so it will remain a free reign for 3rd parties ;) With 3DS you can't argue that everyone is waiting for the next Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Kid Ikarus, SSB, Luigi Mansion, Pokemon, Prof. Layton, whatever else Nintendo comes up with and Monster Hunter 4. Not that much space or expectation for 3rd party games.



Wii U is a GCN 2 - I called it months before the release!

My Vita to-buy list: The Walking Dead, Persona 4 Golden, Need for Speed: Most Wanted, TearAway, Ys: Memories of Celceta, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, History: Legends of War, FIFA 13, Final Fantasy HD X, X-2, Worms Revolution Extreme, The Amazing Spiderman, Batman: Arkham Origins Blackgate - too many no-gaemz :/

My consoles: PS2 Slim, PS3 Slim 320 GB, PSV 32 GB, Wii, DSi.

sundin13 on 25 November 2012
shakarak said:
Dissapointed with Bravely Defaults numbers


I thought that everyone agreed that those numbers were quite good for BD .-.



MDMAlliance on 25 November 2012
Scisca said:
MDMAlliance said:
Scisca said:
My thought.

3DS: 22.64 consoles -> 23.62 3rd party games
Vita: 3.34 consoles -> 4.45 3rd party games

The % ratio is much better for Vita and remember that we have P4G, AC:L and CoD just out now, 3 third party games that actually sell well and will easily get over 0.25 next week (except for CoD, but it will probably get there sooner or later). Also a funny thing:

23.62 - 22.64 = 0.98
4.45 - 3.34 = 1.11
;)

Vita gamers are more willing to buy 3rd party games. The average sales of a game at 0.08 for 3.34 Vitas vs. 0.14 for 22.64 3DS? This would indicate that 6 million Vita gamers would put the average sale over the 3DS score. This is something that can matter, but in order for this to become a factor, Vita finally needs to start to sell. It has to reach that 6 million level as soon as possible, early next year would be awesome. This shows that Vita can sell much less hardware and still win over the 3rd parties, but it has to sell. It's not selling now.


I knew someone would say this, but that definitely isn't conclusive at all.  Fact is that the Vita's 1st party titles barely sell anything (comparatively speaking), which means that the ratio almost has to be higher.

Yes, I am aware of that, but the "good" thing is, that there is no sign for the 1st party Vita games to gain any momentum, so it will remain a free reign for 3rd parties ;) With 3DS you can't argue that everyone is waiting for the next Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Kid Ikarus, SSB, Luigi Mansion, Pokemon, Prof. Layton, whatever else Nintendo comes up with and Monster Hunter 4. Not that much space or expectation for 3rd party games.


We can argue in general that the history of handheld gaming in general doesn't show up a big attachment rate.  Look at the vgchartz for each handheld *console for games that sold 1m or more and you'll see that even the DS didn't sell too many games with over 1m copies sold.  Consoles do much better. 



shakarak on 25 November 2012
sundin13 said:
shakarak said:
Dissapointed with Bravely Defaults numbers


I thought that everyone agreed that those numbers were quite good for BD .-.


Well considering that it a was New IP, had extended cutscenes, and I think it was decently marketed do you believe SE made money off the title?

I do not own a 3ds at the moment, but I'll be getting the BD pc game if that gets released in the states.



MDMAlliance on 25 November 2012
shakarak said:
sundin13 said:
shakarak said:
Dissapointed with Bravely Defaults numbers


I thought that everyone agreed that those numbers were quite good for BD .-.


Well considering that it a was New IP, had extended cutscenes, and I think it was decently marketed do you believe SE made money off the title?

I do not own a 3ds at the moment, but I'll be getting the BD pc game if that gets released in the states.

I heard the PC game wasn't the same thing as the 3DS one.  I think it took place something like 200 years after the BD on the 3DS?