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Wlakiz on 29 November 2012
Cobretti2 said:
Wlakiz said:
fillet said:
Solid-Stark said:
Reading a few posts here, what I got out of it is: We cannot be optimistic for Sony at all. Absolutely no positive discussion for anything Sony; nothing but doom and gloom. But, let's be optimistic for Nokia and Windows Phone in general.

My bias and everyone else' of coarse.


Not really, it's just some see it negative and swear that's the correct way to view it. Then there's the people who will try and make anything look positive. I like to think I'm in the middle, but it just so happens this isn't really that positive, if at all. The proof is that if it was positive, it wouldn't need people to try and spin it that way and the people saying it's negative would look really stupid by now.

As you can see the person responding to me went a bit hysterical about my comments.

It's not so much Sony but more the people seranading Sony that's the problem, yes some would love to see Sony fail. But I tell you what, they'd love to see some of the Sony supporters fail even more.

Threads like this are a gambit and will get eaten alive if the clear proof of success isn't there.

Why should we celebrate a companies success anyway, in this case it's even worse, you want us to be positive about a company that's in 3rd place, not only 3rd place, but 3rd place by a very long way from 2nd.

You make a thread about how good Samsung is doing and I'll support it, because they really have taken massive market share from Apple. Sony....well....ummm....what are we celebrating exactly?

Couple that with the person who created the thread and....well, I don't really need to say anything else.

So you essentialy answered your own question... What are we celebrating exactly? Sony taking market share from Apple and Samsung. Proof of success is there.. their cell phone sales has risen, and their market share has increased. Why not just give them a golf clap? 

Heck people are clapping and cheering that blackberry 10 is still on schedule and Nokia got their lumia 920 out the door is and making good sales figure, even tho their market share is still abysmal.


Because a small increase is nothing to clap about perhaps?

After all when Wii become market leader did many gamers praise Nintendo for turning it around? No they kept calling the Wii a fa and every week posted threads it would fail.

So if this wasn't enough to impress people on these forums, do you really expect a growth from 4.8% to 5% to impress them?

So.. there is something wrong with your statement. If Wii became the market leader and gamers called Wii a failure. This can only imply a couple of things:

1. The Gamers who bought the Wii hated the wii and associated themselves to failure
or
2. The wii was never the market leader. Thus the majoriity of the gamers never bought the wii and talked down on it.
or
3. Wii didn't attract gamers.

Growth is always something to applaude about. If Sony gained 1% every quarter, in 10 years, they'll occupy 40% of the market in just 10 years. Would you consider that significant?



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RipTorn on 29 November 2012

I have used Sony phones and I’m very interest on Sony phones. Currently I’m using Xperia neo L. it is user friendly and also I would like to say here Sony has a good sound quality and also a good headset support too.



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Turkish on 29 November 2012

Believe me when I say Yuga and Odin will smash the competition, these phones will sell like hot cakes in Europe and Asia, and if they get their shit together in NA, itll be a success there too.

Nokia is irrelevant in the smartphone market and they will continue to be irrelevant.



Hynad on 08 February 2013
kowenicki said:
Turkish said:
kowenicki said:
Just shows doesn't it 3rd place..... with a meagre 5.2%

Samsung utterly dominate smartphones right now.


But still a lot better than those Windows smartphones isn't it. Give it a couple years and Sony will rival Samsung. They already got the better phone in the Xperia T and V.


Don't confuse handset manufacturer marketshare with OS marketshare.

i didn't realise this thread was purely to give you the opportunity to have a dig at MS.  MS don't make phones. 

I expect Nokia to take 3rd spot in the next year or so in smartphones and cement their current second spot as worlds second largest mobile phone maker (Nokia has 23% market share (Sony 2%)).

 http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/samsung-nokia-apple-phone-sales-q2-2012/

Handset Shipments by Vendor World Market: 1Q-2010 to 1Q-2012
Vendor 1Q 2010 2Q 2010 3Q 2010 4Q 2010 1Q 2011 2Q 2011 3Q 2011 4Q 2011 1Q 2012 2Q 2012
Nokia 107.8 111.1 110.4 123.7 108.5  88.5 106.5 113.5  82.7  83.7
Samsung  64.3  63.8  71.4  80.7  70.0  74.0  85.0  93.5  93.8  94.2
LG  27.1  30.6  28.4  30.6  24.5  24.8  21.1  20.0  13.7  13.1
Sony Mobile  10.5  11.0  10.4  11.2   8.1   7.6   9.5   9.0   7.3   7.4
Motorola   8.5   8.3   9.1  11.3   9.0  10.6  12.9  10.3   8.8   8.1
Blackberry  10.5  11.2  12.1  14.2  14.9  13.2  11.8  14.1  11.1   7.4
Apple   8.8   8.4  14.1  16.2  18.7  20.3  17.1  37.0  35.1  26.0
HTC   3.3   5.4   6.8   9.1   9.7  12.1  13.2  10.1   6.7   8.3
Huawei   6.1   6.7   6.9   7.7   9.1  11.9  14.2  16.3  10.5  10.8
ZTE   8.0   9.9   8.6   9.6  15.2  19.6  18.9  20.0  18.9  19.7
TCL (Alcatel Mobile Phones)   2.9   7.6   9.0  12.5   7.7   8.9   9.4   8.1   7.8  10.8
Others  45.3  47.2  59.0  63.1  72.5  88.8  75.2  71.4  66.6  74.0
Total 303.0 321.2 346.2 390.0 367.8 380.4 394.7 423.3 363.0 363.5

Interesting to see Sony quoted as saying they are "watching closely" the windows 8 situation with a view to launching windows 8 phones along side their new windows 8 tablets and windows 8 vaio's.   

If the Xperia Z would ever come out with windows 8, it would be a no brainer for me. Or a version of it ... Xperia Z8 or something...



zumnupy10 on 08 February 2013

It will be interesting to see how the Xperia Z will perform. It looks great, but let's see if Sony is capable of making people know it exists.



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michael_stutzer on 08 February 2013

Xperia Z with WP8 would sell a few thousand units at most. The only reason the Lumia is selling this many handsets (which is actually terrible but let's not go into that) is because of their Nokia memories. They are selling despite the WP8 software, not thanks to it. The other phones don't sell at all despite better hardware (HTC 8X).

It is just fine. I am just waiting to see HTC M7 and then I'll decide between the two.



dj2one on 08 February 2013

The xperia and nokia 920 are both the best looking and feeling phones in the $100 for 2 year contract range, I prefer android over windows so I would go with the Sony phone but Samsung got me with phones still have my Galaxy s2 and love it, I am def upgrading to an s4 this year sorry Sony.

I'm glad to see HTC take a nosedive their phones feel solid and sense is a great looking launcher but the hard ware is buggy battery life is awful and my evo touch screen stopped working correctly after 14 months



ethomaz on 08 February 2013
dragonmagician said:
kumagawa said:

And IDC disagree

http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23753512

 

Top Five Smartphone Vendors, Shipments, and Market Share, 2012 Q3 (Units in Millions)

Vendor

3Q12 Unit Shipments

3Q12 Market Share

3Q11 Unit Shipments

3Q11 Market Share

Year-over-year Change

Samsung

56.3

31.3%

28.1

22.7%

100.4%

Apple

26.9

15.0%

17.1

13.8%

57.3%

Research In Motion

7.7

4.3%

11.8

9.6%

-34.7%

ZTE

7.5

4.2%

4.1

3.3%

82.9%

HTC

7.3

4.0%

12.7

10.3%

-42.5%

Others

74.0

41.2%

49.9

40.3%

48.3%

Total

179.7

100.0%

123.7

100.0%

45.3%

 

 

That's the problem with anaylist firms they all give so very different results.

It's not that IDC was wrong, it's just that when they made that report, Sony didn't release their Q3 numbers yet (I think it came out November 1, and the report was done in October), so Sony's numbers would be in the Others category. But the 8.8 million shipment number came straight from Sony's financial report, so if you are going with the IDC numbers, Sony would be in third place. Of course, you can still see there are some differences in the numbers from the two reports, ie;  Samsung's 56.3 mil shipment in IDC vs 55.5 mil in OPs article, and I don't follow Samsung enough to know where these numbers came from.

Samsung don't give us units numbers but sales numbers (revenue)... so the IDC and others companies estimate the units numbers with the avg. sales of each model to get the units... it's close but not the real units numbers.

The only official number in IDC report is Apple and Nokia numbers... 26.9 million iPhones is 26.9 million units shipped.

And of course... IDC don't have the Sony data when created the report... so estimated too but I think they will update the report with the Sony numbers now.



Heavenly_King on 08 February 2013

I would buy a Sony smartphone if the smart features of the phones were appealing to me



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ethomaz on 08 February 2013
Heavenly_King said:
I would buy a Sony smartphone if the smart features of the phones were appealing to me

I will buy one too when they started to use iOS in their phones