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pezus said:
Never noticed that they reversed the X-Y and A-B buttons compared to 360. That should be a bit confusing for those that are used to that gamepad.


When I first switchd to Playsation I struggled, people will get use to it.

Also from memory didnt PS2 (not sure about PS3) have the tirangle and square buttosn reveresed in Japan comapred to the rest of the world?

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Back to OP article

1. I agree and disagree.Really depends on who will be picking it up.

2. Yep sure is. The only people who will benefit from it is Wii to WiiU upgraders.

3. Perhaps, who knows.

4. The btoon stuff, as I said peopel will ge tused to it so no biggie.

 

Conclusion, the article makes some reasonable points but over the top dramatised.



 

 

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Well personally i dont thin that US Dollars 300 are to high but maybe thats because i have buyed a PS3 at launch and have different standards than other peoples.

But i agree at some points. The problem i see right now is that nintendo hasent the casual market for themselfs anymore. So more competition also means less sales. Microsoft and Sony will also try hard to get the casual costumers for themselfs ( Kinect 2.0, Eye Toy Cam 2.0 )
So the casual crowd will have a much smaller impact this time.

Second problem is that right now the hardcore audience only get some ports from older games and some multiplats that wont push many software. I mean why would i spend 300 dollars for a console to play games like Assassisn Creed 3 if i can have the same game for my PS3 and all my friends playing the same game on PS3. Seriously not.

Next Problem is that the actual line up and support for PS3 and X Box 360 is pretty strong so late in the gen and of course Sony has many exclusives to attrackt new costumers- plus the cheap price and maybe price cuts next year the competition is strong for Wii U.

The hype for sonys and Microsofts next gen systems will also be some key factor for the success of the Wii U.
Most of the gamers will simply wait to see what Sony or Microsoft will offer and i think most of us gamers expect the new consoles to be more powerful than Wii U.
Thats alsoone of the issues the Wii U right now have. They say that the console is much more powerful than the PS3 or X360 but yet they doesnt show us one game that can proof that.

Next problem is the market situation. Europe is dominatet by Sony and US is dominatet by Microsoft. So each of them now has a big market recognation in there territorries.

So if you ask me ( and thats only my honest opinion, i dont say that this is fact) the most gamers which will buy the Wii U will be the nintendo fans. So i expect 2-4 good weeks ( because nintendo has a big fanbase and christmas effect and probably a big marketing campagne) but after dezember is the challenging time for the Wii U.The time form January 2013-Dez2013.

I dont expect a gamecube scenario but i also dont expect Wii levels of sales.



Chandler said:
amp316 said:

At first people were complaining because the Classic Controller Pro was a ripoff and now they are complaining because it's too different? Nintendo just can't win.


Yes and seeing that apparently the X360 button setup (color/letters) is now seen as the industry standard and that Nintendo is just ripping it off with slight modifications makes me feel old. And I also want to weep in a corner.


I'll 2nd that.  They will never win in everyones eyes.  they do a fine job for me though.  /gathers up 25 years of ninty controllers and looks for the nearest dark corner.



kowenicki said:
Turkish said:
kowenicki said:
Turkish said:
1. The initial price tag is a tad too high. $300 is great by new-console standards — remember the PlayStation 3 at six big ones? — but general consumers don’t see “Wii” and think “high-end electronics.”

Agree with this one, and this might be the reason it could fail. Remember how 3DS was doing at 250? We might see panic pricecut next year if sales don't pick up.


Yeah because high end electronics in gaming devices ensures success? 

$300 isnt too high... not even close.

Yeah sometimes it ensures success, but thats not the point. The name has Wii in it, its not synonym for expensiveness. Many casuals are probably expecting a cheaper pricetag since they bought the og Wii a lot cheaper. This is Nintendo's most expensive console.

It has never ensured success in gaming.  Especially recently... http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=141085&page=1#

....and once again... $300 isnt expensive.  Why are you saying it is?

It is Nintendo most expensive console because it is their latest console.  WTF are you talking about?    Ever heard of inflation?  There is virtually nothing in it.

 

Stick to your reviews, they make more sense.

PS2 launch price was €499, it went on to sell the most consoles ever. And don't bring up NA launch price because it will only validate what I'm saying. $249 launch price for PS2 made it succesful while its $599 successor struggled, in Europe PS3 did amazing despite its pricetag, that is because the PS2 launch price was also very high. If Nintendo struggles with WiiU sales and encounters a 3DS situation, that will only prove the userbase was expecting a cheaper console.

Very mature of you to resort to the review argument again.



Turkish said:

PS2 launch price was €499, it went on to sell the most consoles ever. And don't bring up NA launch price because it will only validate what I'm saying. $249 launch price for PS2 made it succesful while its $599 successor struggled, in Europe PS3 did amazing despite its pricetag, that is because the PS2 launch price was also very high. If Nintendo struggles with WiiU sales and encounters a 3DS situation, that will only prove the userbase was expecting a cheaper console.

Very mature of you to resort to the review argument again.


PS1 and PS2 launched at 300



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I think it's preposterous to judge the Wii U before it had it's first christmas season.



Ongoing bet with think-man: He wins if MH4 releases in any shape or form on PSV in 2013, I win if it doesn't.

Aside from this complaints about the price, and the demographic they're targeting, he (himself) seems to have a problem with something called a "learning curve." Something that we as gamers; NES,SNES, PS, XBox etc have been dealing with for generations, console wise with no real complications.

He's pretty much implying that no gamer wants to learn a how to teach their thumbs and fore-finger on how to utilize a (brand new) console with a different but unique button layout. He feels that most gamers who want to try the Wii U will be easily alienated by it's own button layout and not want to play/buy it.

It's rather silly to think that gamers who switched from Nintendo to Sony weren't happy with the new layout of the ps controller thus affecting their sales that they easily took from Nintendo.

People might not like change for a lot of things in their lives, but most gamers (not all) don't really care wether they have have to re-teach their fingers to use a different controller.



Hm, I don't know why people think 450EUR is too much for PS4 - that's around 375 without VAT (around 475$) - for comparison, IIRC, 360 launched at 400EUR (VAT included).

If you check Wii U price on Amazon UK, you end up with 300£ - which is around 375EUR (with VAT), so only 75 less than suggested 450.



kowenicki said:
Turkish said:
kowenicki said:
Turkish said:
kowenicki said:
Turkish said:
1. The initial price tag is a tad too high. $300 is great by new-console standards — remember the PlayStation 3 at six big ones? — but general consumers don’t see “Wii” and think “high-end electronics.”

Agree with this one, and this might be the reason it could fail. Remember how 3DS was doing at 250? We might see panic pricecut next year if sales don't pick up.


Yeah because high end electronics in gaming devices ensures success? 

$300 isnt too high... not even close.

Yeah sometimes it ensures success, but thats not the point. The name has Wii in it, its not synonym for expensiveness. Many casuals are probably expecting a cheaper pricetag since they bought the og Wii a lot cheaper. This is Nintendo's most expensive console.

It has never ensured success in gaming.  Especially recently... http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=141085&page=1#

....and once again... $300 isnt expensive.  Why are you saying it is?

It is Nintendo most expensive console because it is their latest console.  WTF are you talking about?    Ever heard of inflation?  There is virtually nothing in it.

 

Stick to your reviews, they make more sense.

PS2 launch price was €499, it went on to sell the most consoles ever. And don't bring up NA launch price because it will only validate what I'm saying. $249 launch price for PS2 made it succesful while its $599 successor struggled, in Europe PS3 did amazing despite its pricetag, that is because the PS2 launch price was also very high. If Nintendo struggles with WiiU sales and encounters a 3DS situation, that will only prove the userbase was expecting a cheaper console.

Very mature of you to resort to the review argument again.


That post is just a rambling mess... you seem to contradict and then agree with yourself in the same post.

Stick to your reviews... they make more sense.

You can't say anything anymore. Because despite knowing ps2s high Euro launch price and its success, you still cling to a flawed logic as "high end gaming devices don't ensure success".



sethnintendo said:
Turkish said:

PS2 launch price was €499, it went on to sell the most consoles ever. And don't bring up NA launch price because it will only validate what I'm saying. $249 launch price for PS2 made it succesful while its $599 successor struggled, in Europe PS3 did amazing despite its pricetag, that is because the PS2 launch price was also very high. If Nintendo struggles with WiiU sales and encounters a 3DS situation, that will only prove the userbase was expecting a cheaper console.

Very mature of you to resort to the review argument again.


PS1 and PS2 launched at 300

Yeah, thought it was even cheaper.