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ninetailschris on 13 November 2012

Want to point out that this will not BLOW out Wii-U lol.

If this is true this would only be a bump up from Wii-U that isn't that impressive.

Btw when it says the developers have 16 or 8 that is develop kit so we are looking at 8 to 4 ram.

How much is OS also?

Anyway this funny to me.



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VGKing on 13 November 2012
ninetailschris said:
Want to point out that this will not BLOW out Wii-U lol.

If this is true this would only be a bump up from Wii-U that isn't that impressive.

Btw when it says the developers have 16 or 8 that is develop kit so we are looking at 8 to 4 ram.

How much is OS also?

Anyway this funny to me.

Rumor is incomplete. Pretty sure the previous rumor months ago mentioned a dedicated graphics card on top of this APU. That's the only way PS4 would be able to handle 1080p, 60FPS 3D. A 2010 document from a Sony presentation states that a console would need to be 10x the power of the PS3 in order to support 1080p 3D at 60FPS in naked-eye 3D.(multiple viewing angles). That is the PS4s target performance. Blows the Wii U out of the water.

We have vague Wii U specs but from what I see, its not much more powerful than a PS3. It is only 2 to 3 times more powerful. I am being very optimistic here.



JoeTheBro on 13 November 2012
disolitude said:
drkohler said:
disolitude said:
Sadly PS4 won't be able to do this as the 3D spec doesn't support 1080p anything over HDMI. 1080p @ 24fps for bluray is max it can do. Only connection allowing for 1080p 3D gaming is dual link DVI.

What the hell are you babbling here? Read the HDM I 1.3 specs and then read HDMI 1.4 specs to fully wake up..

You really wanna get in to a 3D argument with me?

I know that the HDMI 1.4a standard has support for 1080p@60 3D. To utilize this standard TV';s need have an HDMI chip that runs at 297 mhz. These chips aren't availabl in commercial TVs just yet. 4K TV's will use them as will possibly other high end 1080p TV's in the next few years but not a single TV sold today at your local Best buy supports 3D at 1080p@60hz

 


Dude, my TV supports 3D at 1080p at 120 hz. While I agree with you, you are at the same time wrong.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 13 November 2012
JayWood2010 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
JayWood2010 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
JayWood2010 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Bristow9091 said:
I hope it's the most powerful of the three next gen consoles, but at the same time, easier to code for, so we don't see shoddy ports again, lol.


It will be fine. They wont make the same mistake twice. They know what they need to do now. We'll all find out soon.


Yeah that's what they said about the Vita too....


So basically you're billing them for failure?

No, I'm not saying that.  I love sony but they have had horrible business plans for a while now so who knows with them.


They fucked up this gen, but managed to keep credibility and gained respect as a first party developer more than any of their competitors this gen. They also increased their online capabilities, which keep them as a hot commodity for initial core gamers who want to be early adopters. We've heard no peep out of Uncharted and we know the next game is being held back until next gen for sure. Lets see whether Sony starts with a bang shall we? They might have screwed up the Vita launch, but the PS3 was profitable for a reason and I think they've learned from the PS3's mistakes.


I agree about the first party for sure.  Uncharted though is another who knows though.  Looking at Naughty Dog they usually just do 3 games in a series.  I love Uncharted so I hope they at least make one more though.  Sony needs to stop giving Uncharted to other studios though because other studioes will ruin it. 



Uncharted has no linear story path in its world. It could go on forever and have many protagonists is Sony saw fit. God of War is the one that will eventually run out of story.

ninetailschris on 13 November 2012
VGKing said:
ninetailschris said:
Want to point out that this will not BLOW out Wii-U lol.

If this is true this would only be a bump up from Wii-U that isn't that impressive.

Btw when it says the developers have 16 or 8 that is develop kit so we are looking at 8 to 4 ram.

How much is OS also?

Anyway this funny to me.

Rumor is incomplete. Pretty sure the previous rumor months ago mentioned a dedicated graphics card on top of this APU. That's the only way PS4 would be able to handle 1080p, 60FPS 3D. A 2010 document from a Sony presentation states that a console would need to be 10x the power of the PS3 in order to support 1080p 3D at 60FPS in naked-eye 3D.(multiple viewing angles). That is the PS4s target performance. Blows the Wii U out of the water.

We have vague Wii U specs but from what I see, its not much more powerful than a PS3. It is only 2 to 3 times more powerful. I am being very optimistic here.


lol we have guillable one here.

Remember ps2 would be able to have Toy story like graphics in real time?

Remeber when they said ps3 would be able to do 1080 native p ?

Just because someone wants something to happen doesn't mean it will happen.

"dedicated graphics card on top of this APU"

  AP10 if used as a dedicated card would be horrible so don't brag about it using both it is going to be forced too.

" console would need to be 10x the power of the PS3 in order to support 1080p 3D at 60FPS in naked-eye 3D."

Let's see if know anything about tech what do you think the graphic card is?

Because it sounds like your hinting to 7970 it believe that you literally need to check yourself.




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Solid-Stark on 13 November 2012

Heres hoping we start getting specs leaked :D



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Zappykins on 13 November 2012
disolitude said:
I don't care much for these rumors but there is a point where the news reporter says "this is to ensure that it can play games at 1080p and 60 fps in 3D"...

Sadly PS4 won't be able to do this as the 3D spec doesn't support 1080p anything over HDMI. 1080p @ 24fps for bluray is max it can do. Only connection allowing for 1080p 3D gaming is dual link DVI.

Also, even if magically they decided to include a Dual Link DVI port on some new TVs, there is no way in hell next gen will be able to do 1080p 3D @60 fps with an AMD APU. You'd need a latest Intel i5 and a GTX 680 to do that.

Otherwise, carry on with rumors...

Ah, I forgot that about HDMI 1.4.  It's limited - regardless what some other are posting.  And they can't really push it further.  Isn't the 2K at 24 limited to somthing like 1 meter (3 feet) in length.  They connections aren't shielded well.  It's great, but it's stuck as it's so limited.

There has been talk about using something like an eithernet port - so you could use your CAT5/6 cables.  I think this would be great, common, inexpensive, high quality, and you can make them quite long.  However, I don't know if the TV manufactures will use it, not if they could make Hollywood happy with it like they have with the DRM on HDMI.



 

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darkknightkryta on 13 November 2012
disolitude said:
drkohler said:
disolitude said:
Sadly PS4 won't be able to do this as the 3D spec doesn't support 1080p anything over HDMI. 1080p @ 24fps for bluray is max it can do. Only connection allowing for 1080p 3D gaming is dual link DVI.

What the hell are you babbling here? Read the HDM I 1.3 specs and then read HDMI 1.4 specs to fully wake up..

You really wanna get in to a 3D argument with me?

I know that the HDMI 1.4a standard has support for 1080p@60 3D. To utilize this standard TV';s need have an HDMI chip that runs at 297 mhz. These chips aren't availabl in commercial TVs just yet. 4K TV's will use them as will possibly other high end 1080p TV's in the next few years but not a single TV sold today at your local Best buy supports 3D at 1080p@60hz

 

To be fair, rumours have it that Sony wants to PS4 to be 4k ready. That 1080p@60hz can be the goal with 4k T.V.s in mind.



disolitude on 13 November 2012
JoeTheBro said:
disolitude said:
drkohler said:
disolitude said:
Sadly PS4 won't be able to do this as the 3D spec doesn't support 1080p anything over HDMI. 1080p @ 24fps for bluray is max it can do. Only connection allowing for 1080p 3D gaming is dual link DVI.

What the hell are you babbling here? Read the HDM I 1.3 specs and then read HDMI 1.4 specs to fully wake up..

You really wanna get in to a 3D argument with me?

I know that the HDMI 1.4a standard has support for 1080p@60 3D. To utilize this standard TV';s need have an HDMI chip that runs at 297 mhz. These chips aren't availabl in commercial TVs just yet. 4K TV's will use them as will possibly other high end 1080p TV's in the next few years but not a single TV sold today at your local Best buy supports 3D at 1080p@60hz

 


Dude, my TV supports 3D at 1080p at 120 hz. While I agree with you, you are at the same time wrong.


Would you mind giving me your TV's model number? I will politely prove you wrong...



VGKing on 13 November 2012
ninetailschris said:
VGKing said:
ninetailschris said:
Want to point out that this will not BLOW out Wii-U lol.

If this is true this would only be a bump up from Wii-U that isn't that impressive.

Btw when it says the developers have 16 or 8 that is develop kit so we are looking at 8 to 4 ram.

How much is OS also?

Anyway this funny to me.

Rumor is incomplete. Pretty sure the previous rumor months ago mentioned a dedicated graphics card on top of this APU. That's the only way PS4 would be able to handle 1080p, 60FPS 3D. A 2010 document from a Sony presentation states that a console would need to be 10x the power of the PS3 in order to support 1080p 3D at 60FPS in naked-eye 3D.(multiple viewing angles). That is the PS4s target performance. Blows the Wii U out of the water.

We have vague Wii U specs but from what I see, its not much more powerful than a PS3. It is only 2 to 3 times more powerful. I am being very optimistic here.


lol we have guillable one here.

Remember ps2 would be able to have Toy story like graphics in real time?
-Didn't follow news back then, but I say PS2 games like Ratchet and Clank definitely looked the part.

Remeber when they said ps3 would be able to do 1080 native p ?
-Yes, and it does. Wipeout HD says hi. It all depends on the game. 

Just because someone wants something to happen doesn't mean it will happen.
-Thanks for the life lesson. I'm going off rumors, not what I want.

"dedicated graphics card on top of this APU"

  AP10 if used as a dedicated card would be horrible so don't brag about it using both it is going to be forced too.
-Huh? I dont' understand what you're saying here. The AMD A10 APU is a CPU + GPU combined. The integrated GPU is rather weak on its own....a previous rumor mentioned that a dedicated GPU would work together with the APU.

" console would need to be 10x the power of the PS3 in order to support 1080p 3D at 60FPS in naked-eye 3D."

Let's see if know anything about tech what do you think the graphic card is?
-I have no idea. I just know that the APU mentioned in this rumor won't be able to output 1080p 3D at 60FPS on its own. This is why I advise you to go back and read some prevous PS4 specs rumors which mention a dedicated GPU.

Because it sounds like your hinting to 7970 it believe that you literally need to check yourself.

http://www.vg247.com/2012/04/04/report-ign-sources-detail-confirm-sonys-rumored-ps4-specs/

This is the rumor from earlier in the year. Back then they were using the A8 APU on PS4.(It is now using an A10, and will probably upgrade to something better once the final devkit is released)

And I quote..

"The A8-3850 has a quad-core 2.9GHz processor with an integrated graphics chip while the APU will “work in tandem with the system’s dedicated GPU, the HD 7670″ which is a DirectX 11 card “clocked to 1GHz with up to 1GB of dedicated VRAM.”

 

The HD 7670 is a version of 2011′s HD 6670 with identical specs and rumored to be the same card used in the next Xbox console.

 

The A8-3850 is an HD 6550D so the APU would be capable of running games “at baseline specs and lower resolutions without the help of a discrete GPU.” Put together with the HD 7670 and a “symmetrical CrossFire configuration” will be utilized to “share the load of realtime graphics processing.”"

 

I'm not that educated in GPU/CPU tech but these specs from earlier in the year sound more powerful than a Wii U. Specs have only been upgraded with each new leak.