See my latter reply to haxxiy. While i personally abhor their economic policies, i still think the Republicans are honestly going too far for what a lot of Americans want. Some of their proposals are common-sense, mainstream stuff, like flattening the tax code while shutting down loopholes, while other things are stuff the average American doesn't want, like complete deregulation or the gutting of social programs.

I think you'd be surprised on some of that stuff.  A  LOT of people are bitter about unions.  As union membership drops, so does support for them.  Essentially only those who benefit from them tend to support them.

As for complete deregulation and gutting of social programs... i'd say those are more your views on their polices then their actual policies.

Additionally... americans don't want any touching of social programs.  They also don't want anything to fund them.  On social programs... people just want a free lunch.  It's a valuable short term plank i guess... but long term it's just dangerous.  There isn't any responsible position on Social Programs other tehn an unpopular one.

It's actually sad because had we invested surpluses instead of put the money in worthless accounting tricks like government IOUs... we'd likely still have tons of money to pay for these things with some pretty good profits.

"Kill the Department of Energy" and "Kill the EPA" are not calls for complete deregulation?

Although this could be a case where their rhetoric makes their intent sound more severe than what they would actually do, but if its convincing voters that such is their intent, then the result is the same.

Um....no. The 3/5 compromise was added to appease the South, who wanted greater representation in the House. The slaves couldn't vote, based on property requirement adopted at the state level, at the time of the ratification of the Constitution. The 3/5 compromise was intended to inflate the population of the South, hence, give them greater power in the House.

The Electoral College had multiple purposes. First, it ensured a federal, rather than a national system. This was an attempt to appease the smaller states, as well as state's rights activists, who feared a national government with too much power. Second, the Founders were elitists and didn't want the masses too control the electoral process, hence, why voters actually vote for delegates, who then cast votes. The delegates did not necessarily have to follow the wishes of the electorate. This made it so that the government would be protected from the "passions of the masses." Now, as we have seen, this elitist attitude has dissipated throughout history, although it hasn't been a linear or quick process. Nevertheless, the expansion of the franchise has occured. The reason the Electoral College is still around is because of Federalism, not because of elitism or an attempt to discount minorities.

I literally did not here either of those things during the campaign... or anybody remotely talking about those things.   If I didn't... i'm guessing the average person hasn't either.

A quick look at Romney's campaign site which is still up talks about how he would stop Obama's underminding of the Department of Energy and get them back to their basic research goals and reason for existing.

So, he clearly didn't want to kill it.

http://aboutmittromney.com/energy.htm

And looking at the EPA it looked like people were trying to block who he would appoint as EPA head... which shows he planned to keep that around as well.

So again... I think this is less an issue of what republicans are saying, but what you interpret republicans as saying based on your political position.

I was thinking of Rick Perry at that point.

Fair enough.

What's funny is... I bet 2000 Al Gore would of agreed with him that Social Security is essentially a Ponzi Scheme.

I know I'm late to the party, but congrats(and thank god) for him being re-elected

that being said, shame on republicans for their dirty tactics, all that voting suppression in swings states was disgusting, voting should not have you waiting in line for 5-7+ hours. no wonder they got smacked around last night,(that and their views on women)


and who would've thought that I would watch Fox news for the majority of the day :p did anyone see when Ohio went to Obama making him the winner! the look on their face was as if Karl Rove stripped naked and did Gangnam Stlye!! it was RICH!!!

Boeing announces lay offs the day after the election...

Dow Jones drops 300 points, too.

I wonder if its investors deliberately shorting the market to try and make Democrats look bad, or if some investors have it so firmly fixed in their mind that Democrats are shite for business (which doesn't really bear out over the last century. Wilson was good times, FDR saw consistent improvement over his run, Truman was kinda bad, Kennedy and Johnson were at the height of American economic dominance, Carter was during stagflation (but that started under Nixon), and Clinton with the roaring 90s.