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archbrix said:
Scisca said:
archbrix said:
oniyide said:
@Mr. Khan people who want GTA have made their console choice years ago...

I agree that the majority certainly have, but you do realize that tens of thousands of people around the world every day are buying their first games console, don't you?

Considering that GTA5 isn't even released yet, it's not absurd to assume that many new console owners - yes, even potential WiiU owners - may have an interest in the game.

You are aware, that releasing games is no charity? It's a business. R* want to make money. They don't care if Wii U manages to convice core gamers to itself or not. They just think about themselves, as it should be. I think that they will release a Wii U port later with the PC version. If not to sell many copies, then just to get some experience making games for the Wii U. But until Wii U sells a respectable number of consoles, you can't really demand all games that are very expensive to make and traditionally don't sell on Nintendo consoles. Just consider Vita. It's just a business, so forget about emotional arguments about hatred, being prejudiced or screwing Nintendo over, cause it's childish. Think how many developers went bust in the last 2 years. You say R* is huge? Think about THQ. If going to Wii U pays, everybody will do it.

Where did you get this idea of charity from?  My response to Oni had nothing to do with what you addressed in your response...

I'm trying to address the idea that since there are new gamers buying consoles all the time, and a few new gamers will even buy the Wii U, hence they should be able to buy a GTA V on the Wii U. It's just not realistic. But this response is also dealing with arguments raised by Mr. Khan, just didn't bother to quote each and every one of them.



Wii U is a GCN 2 - I called it months before the release!

My Vita to-buy list: The Walking Dead, Persona 4 Golden, Need for Speed: Most Wanted, TearAway, Ys: Memories of Celceta, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, History: Legends of War, FIFA 13, Final Fantasy HD X, X-2, Worms Revolution Extreme, The Amazing Spiderman, Batman: Arkham Origins Blackgate - too many no-gaemz :/

My consoles: PS2 Slim, PS3 Slim 320 GB, PSV 32 GB, Wii, DSi.

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archbrix said:
Sal.Paradise said:
archbrix said:
Sal.Paradise said:
archbrix said:
Sal.Paradise said:
Mr Khan said:

There's a difference between paying for exclusivity and deliberately ignoring one of the major platform-holders. We're not entitled to every game, but we are entitled to all multiplat games, because there's no good reason for it to not go that way.

You're not entitled to anything made by a third party because you own a single console mate, that's the nature of being 'third party' - they're not tied to any specific platform and have relative freedom change their minds at any time. R* do not owe anything to owners of any specific platform. 

The only games you get to play on the Wii U are games Nintendo has secured and deemed fit for release. You're 'entitled' to those and those only. Same for any console. 

So, by your logic, PS3-only owners aren't entitled to the game either... after all, that's the nature of R* being 3rd party...

Face it:  The vast majority of 3rd party games today are multiplats; particularly one as big as GTA.  What he means by "entitled" is that there is no good reason why the game shouldn't release on WiiU as well (and I actually believe there is a good chance it will, albeit late).  If inferior versions of COD for Wii can break 1m in sales, there is little reason to assume that an on-par port of GTA5 for WiiU - one that would be a vastly easier port to boot - wouldn't sell enough to justify it.

Absolutey PS3 owners aren't entitled to their game. R* choose whichever platforms they want.

" What he means by "entitled" is that there is no good reason why the game shouldn't release on WiiU as well"

Well that's a whole other issue, and incorrect too.

When 95% of all 3rd party offerings are multiplats, don't pretend like it wouldn't be huge injustice if the game didn't also release for PS3. 

Regarding your second point, while "entitled" may not have been the best word to use, the fact that there's no good reason still stands, so it's not incorrect at all.

Injustice? Lol. It would be unexpected and it would annoy me. But at no point am I entitled to receive their game. Don't try and make this into something it isn't!

No, there are plausible reasons why they would not release it on the Wii U. If you can't think of one, you are not trying hard enough. 

Lol, seriously?  You think it wouldn't raise any eyebrows other than people just being "annoyed" if the game didn't release on PS3?  Please.  And I'm not trying to make it into anything, so don't accuse me of that.  I'm pointing out your flawed reasoning over the semantics of "entitlement", and you know it.  Obviously nobody is literally "entitled" to anything, but it would be absurd if the game didn't release for PS3.  Period.

It wouldn't be injustice. It would be bad business. And Sony worked real hard to put itself in a situation, where not releasing a game on PS3 is bad business. Nintendo still has to do this with Wii U. We'll see if this time they manage to succeed. Sony and Microsoft will have to go through this period as well once they release their next platforms. It's just how this industry works.



Wii U is a GCN 2 - I called it months before the release!

My Vita to-buy list: The Walking Dead, Persona 4 Golden, Need for Speed: Most Wanted, TearAway, Ys: Memories of Celceta, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, History: Legends of War, FIFA 13, Final Fantasy HD X, X-2, Worms Revolution Extreme, The Amazing Spiderman, Batman: Arkham Origins Blackgate - too many no-gaemz :/

My consoles: PS2 Slim, PS3 Slim 320 GB, PSV 32 GB, Wii, DSi.

my theory in this case is that rockstar has only enough employees to develop for two platforms at the same time to release the game at the date they want to and if they have enough time after that we will see a wii u version. if not because the development for their next games or big dlcs will need the whole staff, we won't get a wii u version.

now people would argue that a port is very easy for wii u but pc version also takes longer everytime and if they have the wii u gamepad as possibility they would maybe want to use it and not just make the same 360/ps3 game for wii u because the new gamepad stands for the wii u. and it's a whole new story how long the development takes or how many people you need then if you really want to use the gamepad for great things and if that really has to work perfect to make a perfect gta for wii u in the eyes of rockstar. would be fun if you could collect playboy magazines in the game and read them on your gamepad using the touchscreen to turn the pages lol. a better version of the playboy stuff of mafia 2 or was it l.a. noir?



Nintendo still has a long way to go in building credibility with publishers and consumers on the core/hardcore front.

Bayonetta 2 is a decent first step, but Nintendo needs to understand that is a *first* step. They need to show more leadership themselves in this area, then other developers will take them more seriously.

Until then the attitude will simply be "Carnival Games for Nintendo, Grand Theft Auto/BioShock/etc. for Sony/MS" from many pubs. 

 



archbrix said:
Sal.Paradise said:
archbrix said:
Sal.Paradise said:
Injustice? Lol. It would be unexpected and it would annoy me. But at no point am I entitled to receive their game. Don't try and make this into something it isn't!

No, there are plausible reasons why they would not release it on the Wii U. If you can't think of one, you are not trying hard enough. 

Lol, seriously?  You think it wouldn't raise any eyebrows other than people just being "annoyed" if the game didn't release on PS3?  Please.  And I'm not trying to make it into anything, so don't accuse me of that.  I'm pointing out your flawed reasoning over the semantics of "entitlement", and you know it.  Obviously nobody is literally "entitled" to anything, but it would be absurd if the game only released for PS3.  Period.

 

I'm pointing out your flawed reasoning over the semantics of "entitlement", and you know it. 

I'm sorry Archbrix I have absolutely zero idea where you've done that.

You've told me it would be an 'injustice' if it didn't release on PS3 and now tell me about how that it would 'raise eyebrows' if it didn't release on that platform (that second part obviously true). But how on earth does that relate to PS3 gamers being 'entitled' to that game? How? 

*sigh*

Alright, this is my last response on the matter.  You are absolutely right that the word "entitled" is not what Mr. Khan should have used, which I've already conceded.  But again, his point goes deeper than the literal definition of the word.

I'm not accusing R* of hating Nintendo, if that's what you aim to accuse me of, and I'm not totally ruling it out either.  What I'm saying is that if Ubisoft and Activision can bring their games to WiiU - which has an install base of zero (or 400,000+ if you count pre-orders) - there is no reason why R* can't port GTA5 to the console as well.  Obviously R*/T2 want to make money, and based on what I've heard regarding how many copies they'd have to sell to make it a worthwhile endeavor, they would almost certainly be able to profit, and I think there's a good chance it'll come eventually.

 

Man you really didn't need that damn sigh at the start of your post, I'm just trying to have a discussion with you about this and it really fucking sucks when people do that kind of thing. Makes me feel like I shouldn't even bother contributing. 

Ok, your second paragraph...first I've just gotta say where were you calling me out over the semantics of entitlement there? You're not even talking about it. You're talking about completely different things. What you're actually grappling with there are the realities of the situation; the plausability of Rockstar having a reason to not bring the game to the Wii U that is business-related and not based on some judgement of Nintendo as a company. 

To that (completely different issue) I'd answer those reasons could exist and are believable.

A subtlety I've had to explain before in these cases is one of profitability. Can they make money on a Wii U port? Yes. But. Could they decide to invest that same money, not to mention development resources, into something else and see an even greater profit? I believe so. Those same devs that could be porting it to the Wii U for a small return, could be working on downloadable content for the game, or a PC version (or a project they HAVE to work on to get it on time, nevermind the return on investment) with much higher ROI. Simple. 

Red Dead never made it to the PC. Why? They'd be gurantaeed to make money on it! The answer is that the ROI was not worth it at the time.

We do know that, yes, there is just one title absent from our PC release plans – that game of course being Red Dead Redemption, and of course we’re well aware that some fans have been asking for it. All we can say is that whenever it is viable (technically, developmentally and business-wise) for us to release a game for PC (or any other particular platform) – we will and we usually do; unfortunately, that is just not the case 100% of the time for all platforms.

 http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/19081/asked-answered-max-payne-3-la-noire-red-dead-and-more.html

They obviously had to focus on the console versions, the most important in terms of unit sales, and when the opportunity arose to devote a team to porting it to PC, they had more important projects to work on whether it was a question of ROI (we can make more money if we put them on this other project, forget the port), or just necessity (we NEED to release this next game on time, forget the port). The pressure must be even higher now, they had to devote much of their team to Max Payne 3 earlier in the year, they are working on their company's single most important franchise, and they are readying for the wave of next gen consoles; there is a finite number of projects they can juggle at once. Unfortunately the Wii U port just may not be one of those. (No mention of the PC version leads me to believe that they are indeed very pressed for time and prioritizing the PS360 console versions, but that's speculation.)

Now let me remind you here that I did say before in the thread that I wouldn't be surprised at a Wii U port later on and I'm not even sure this leak is real. But above is just what I see as a possible situation that some choose to ignore.

 

(Oh and I'm not aiming to accuse you of trying to say R* hate Nintendo, not at all, didn't even cross my mind as we were just talking about gamers being entitled to games on their platforms of choice. I think you've caught the wrong end of the stick there.)



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I wonder how much other publishers pay Rockstar and TakeTwo to NOT release a GTA game in the heavily desired Christmas Season? A series with that kind of selling potential.....I can't see any other reason why they wouldn't capitalize on the Holidays.



      

      

      

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@archbrix If R* doesnt believe they can make a profit on the game, that is good enough reason right there, we are just assuming that the porting costs wont be high, because we heard it from a few devs. But not all engines are created equally, some might not work well with some systems.



Not surprised there's no Wii U version. Rockstar just doesn't seem to want to release GTA on Nintendo home consoles for some reason.



I hate to point out the obvious but there are retailers listing it for pc already. But they could be guessing hey?

To me this just confirms what everybody knew from the start. It doesn't say other systems don't have a version there.



One more thing to complete my year = senran kagura localization =D

Thought this was obvious? Rockstar stated they like Q2 releases. Red dead- may GTA 4- April Max Payne - May. I think GTA 5 will be May again.