archbrix said:
Sal.Paradise said:
archbrix said:
Sal.Paradise said: Injustice? Lol. It would be unexpected and it would annoy me. But at no point am I entitled to receive their game. Don't try and make this into something it isn't!
No, there are plausible reasons why they would not release it on the Wii U. If you can't think of one, you are not trying hard enough.
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Lol, seriously? You think it wouldn't raise any eyebrows other than people just being "annoyed" if the game didn't release on PS3? Please. And I'm not trying to make it into anything, so don't accuse me of that. I'm pointing out your flawed reasoning over the semantics of "entitlement", and you know it. Obviously nobody is literally "entitled" to anything, but it would be absurd if the game only released for PS3. Period.
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I'm pointing out your flawed reasoning over the semantics of "entitlement", and you know it.
I'm sorry Archbrix I have absolutely zero idea where you've done that.
You've told me it would be an 'injustice' if it didn't release on PS3 and now tell me about how that it would 'raise eyebrows' if it didn't release on that platform (that second part obviously true). But how on earth does that relate to PS3 gamers being 'entitled' to that game? How?
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*sigh*
Alright, this is my last response on the matter. You are absolutely right that the word "entitled" is not what Mr. Khan should have used, which I've already conceded. But again, his point goes deeper than the literal definition of the word.
I'm not accusing R* of hating Nintendo, if that's what you aim to accuse me of, and I'm not totally ruling it out either. What I'm saying is that if Ubisoft and Activision can bring their games to WiiU - which has an install base of zero (or 400,000+ if you count pre-orders) - there is no reason why R* can't port GTA5 to the console as well. Obviously R*/T2 want to make money, and based on what I've heard regarding how many copies they'd have to sell to make it a worthwhile endeavor, they would almost certainly be able to profit, and I think there's a good chance it'll come eventually.
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Man you really didn't need that damn sigh at the start of your post, I'm just trying to have a discussion with you about this and it really fucking sucks when people do that kind of thing. Makes me feel like I shouldn't even bother contributing.
Ok, your second paragraph...first I've just gotta say where were you calling me out over the semantics of entitlement there? You're not even talking about it. You're talking about completely different things. What you're actually grappling with there are the realities of the situation; the plausability of Rockstar having a reason to not bring the game to the Wii U that is business-related and not based on some judgement of Nintendo as a company.
To that (completely different issue) I'd answer those reasons could exist and are believable.
A subtlety I've had to explain before in these cases is one of profitability. Can they make money on a Wii U port? Yes. But. Could they decide to invest that same money, not to mention development resources, into something else and see an even greater profit? I believe so. Those same devs that could be porting it to the Wii U for a small return, could be working on downloadable content for the game, or a PC version (or a project they HAVE to work on to get it on time, nevermind the return on investment) with much higher ROI. Simple.
Red Dead never made it to the PC. Why? They'd be gurantaeed to make money on it! The answer is that the ROI was not worth it at the time.
We do know that, yes, there is just one title absent from our PC release plans – that game of course being Red Dead Redemption, and of course we’re well aware that some fans have been asking for it. All we can say is that whenever it is viable (technically, developmentally and business-wise) for us to release a game for PC (or any other particular platform) – we will and we usually do; unfortunately, that is just not the case 100% of the time for all platforms.
http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/19081/asked-answered-max-payne-3-la-noire-red-dead-and-more.html
They obviously had to focus on the console versions, the most important in terms of unit sales, and when the opportunity arose to devote a team to porting it to PC, they had more important projects to work on whether it was a question of ROI (we can make more money if we put them on this other project, forget the port), or just necessity (we NEED to release this next game on time, forget the port). The pressure must be even higher now, they had to devote much of their team to Max Payne 3 earlier in the year, they are working on their company's single most important franchise, and they are readying for the wave of next gen consoles; there is a finite number of projects they can juggle at once. Unfortunately the Wii U port just may not be one of those. (No mention of the PC version leads me to believe that they are indeed very pressed for time and prioritizing the PS360 console versions, but that's speculation.)
Now let me remind you here that I did say before in the thread that I wouldn't be surprised at a Wii U port later on and I'm not even sure this leak is real. But above is just what I see as a possible situation that some choose to ignore.
(Oh and I'm not aiming to accuse you of trying to say R* hate Nintendo, not at all, didn't even cross my mind as we were just talking about gamers being entitled to games on their platforms of choice. I think you've caught the wrong end of the stick there.)