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Nintendo still has a long way to go in building credibility with publishers and consumers on the core/hardcore front.

Bayonetta 2 is a decent first step, but Nintendo needs to understand that is a *first* step. They need to show more leadership themselves in this area, then other developers will take them more seriously.

Until then the attitude will simply be "Carnival Games for Nintendo, Grand Theft Auto/BioShock/etc. for Sony/MS" from many pubs.