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Forums - Politics - EU wins Nobel peace Prize. No... seriously, they did!

Mr Khan on 12 October 2012
Slimebeast said:
Mr Khan said:
Slimebeast said:
Mr Khan said:
Slimebeast said:

The peace argument, I mean is there a more childish argument to use in politics?

It was the biggest argument used by the pro-EU side when we in Sweden had the popular vote about whether to join the EU or not in 1994 or so (this argument together with the economical argument lol, that we'd be isolated economically if we wouldn't join the EU).

But it worked, we we're tricked into the EU. For nothing good whatsover. Nothing! Instead we've been paying 2 billion Euro per year in membership fees and subsidies, plus having regulations that we don't need forced upon us.

Thanks to the EU we didn't get another Hitler in power, right? lol. It's just so stupid.

As if we would need the EU for the UK, Germany and France to never go to war against each other again. Such a joke. Not even USA got into war against Russia in 40 years of Cold War and it wasn't even close that they would.

Cuban Missile Crisis

Also that one time that the Soviet radar network malfunctioned and detected a mass warhead launch by the US, and only one Soviet military officer's intuition made the difference between total global annihilation.

lol I've never heard of such a story. Talk about exaggeration.

Googling "Cold War Near Miss" gets you this as one of the top results

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-505009/September-26th-1983-The-day-world-died.html

September 26th, 1983. Everyone living in Europe, North America, and the developed parts of Asia owes our lives to Lieutenant Colonel Stanislav Petrov.

Do you really believe that story? Yeah, the part with the controller guy checking the enemy missile computer is probably true but the next steps in the decision chain, that it was all up to one guy's judgment or the Soviets would have launched nukes in error, that's totally unbelievable.

Wasn't there a movie in the 80's about some hackers who were close of starting a nuclear war when they hacked into US defense systems?

When your margin of error is only 12 minutes, lots of authority has to be vested in the individual.

Like Badgenome said, there were redundancies, but not many. When you're dealing with ICBMs, the decision to annihilate the planet rests in the hands of about 3 or 4 people, with much weight given to the first responder.



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Kantor on 12 October 2012

I will be waiting for my 0.16p (1/500,000,000 of the prize) in the mail.

But yes, the Peace Prize has really become a bit of a joke. First to a man who has done nothing for peace, and who has stepped up drone strikes and continued blatant aggression against human rights, and now to an inefficient, bureaucratic and dictatorial organisation which may arguably have achieved something 65 years ago before turning into a complete mess.



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benao87 on 12 October 2012

Obama and Kissinger are better examples if you are trying to prove the idiocy behind those decisions.

You may be mad, but you just sound desperate, mate. Poor wording, and you could've used better arguments, but it's ok, you may have your rant.



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fighter on 12 October 2012
kowenicki said:

WHAT!?

I mean.... WHAT!?  I though Obama getting it after 7 days in office was idiotic and insulting, but this is a new level of stupidity.

 

The incompetent EU that:

- messed up with Yugoslavia in such a big way, leading to many more deaths.

- has presided over the biggest econmic cock up / scam of all time in the Euro ruining millions of peoples futures.

- knowingly allowed Nations to lie about their economies allowing them to join and therefore completely messing up the global economy

- allows countries with not entirely democratically elected governments to join them.

- has a member state threatening military intervention in one of its own states, catalonia

- is incompetent

- is corrupt

- has an all time low confidence rating of 30% across the whole of the EU

- has populations of Greece and Spain engaging in civil unrest and burning of flags of other EU nations due to the mess the EU created

- has lead to a rise in ultra right wing groups in many nations due to their meddling and financial incompetence.

 

And who awards this prize? a Norwegian body... Norway a country that doesnt want to join the EU.  You couldnt make it up.

The liberal elite have finally taken over the asylum.

Dont give the prize to individuals who strive for peace or for rights of individuals in their own countries whaever you do... just award it to a bunch of overpaid unelected fat cat beaurocrats.  Bravo!

 

It is NATO that has kept the peace in Europe.  It has nothing, NOTHING, to do with the EU.

 

Rant over!


What is funny to me is how Obama won it for pretty much just replacing Bush.

The European architects did not plan the crises, nor had they imagined the roots of a federal pan-european system. What they did though was imagine a cooperational system, both plitical and economic, that would allow Europe to internalize legally and structurally our competition.

And in that aspect, they achieved full success.

 

 

If the EU project doesn't deserve the nobel prize for peace, who does ?



badgenome on 12 October 2012
fighter said:

If the EU project doesn't deserve the nobel prize for peace, who does ?

Malala Yousafzai.



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fighter on 12 October 2012
badgenome said:
fighter said:

If the EU project doesn't deserve the nobel prize for peace, who does ?

Malala Yousafzai.


yeah, she seems like a great activist, but how can you compare the impacts of her actions to the first 7 decades of peace in Europe



Stefan.De.Machtige on 12 October 2012

The EU, like any political organ, has its problems. Some silly, others sad.

But in the whole its certainly a plus operation, where smaller countries can unite to form a bigger party on the political and economic world stage.



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Mr Khan on 12 October 2012
badgenome said:
fighter said:

If the EU project doesn't deserve the nobel prize for peace, who does ?

Malala Yousafzai.

That would have been a very good one, in the vein of Sirleaf-Johnson



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fighter on 12 October 2012
kowenicki said:
badgenome said:
fighter said:

If the EU project doesn't deserve the nobel prize for peace, who does ?

Malala Yousafzai.


and many other individuals striving and struggling daily for a real and genuine cause against the odds often in extreme danger.

 

 

you mean like John Rambo ?

 

wtf - can't you acknowledge that the most effective ways of achieving peace are institutional ? It s funny beacause when i read a history book some politicians, inventors, and thinkers seems immortal no matter how far in time their actions took place while Rosa Parks and other Lee Harvey Oswald sink into oblivion with every century



Mummelmann on 12 October 2012

If it makes you feel any better, the vast majority of the Nowegian population strongly disagree with their choice.