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Chark said:
Kenology said:
Chark said:
@Kowen It hasn't been out a year in Japan yet though. Close, but not yet.

@benao87 They didn't say that the sales were unacceptable, of course they wish they sold more, they've said it several times before already. Summer sales are usually crappy, Vita just especially so.

@blugamer23 There is good reason to believe that the Vita is a profitable hardware, at least break even. Software and accessory sales are adding enough profits to make the console profitable right off the bat, even if the Vita is selling for a small loss which is unlikely given the cost breakdown announced after its release.

@slimebeast Really man? No decency. When the Vita starts selling well, I hope you feel bad about statements like that.

@OP I agree, the thing needs a Christmas. The consumer environment is extremely negative, fueled by competitive BS cultivated in the fans of a certain product/service. Very sad to see that the dawn of the troll can have such an effect on human behavior.

The Vita though, has a lot going for it; games, apps, features. It's amazing, but I think they messed up their launch. The earthquake and flooding delayed it from a holiday release last year worldwide. That probably reduced its launch potential due to the low sales in Japan after launching there, kind of scared the rest of the world from buying the Vita. News coverage was very critical of the system for its Japanese sales. Japan should not have gotten the go ahead on schedule while the rest of the world was delayed. Japan had the weakest regional software lineup and Sony tripped up their sales for the rest of the world that way.

A simultaneous February launch would have had more success, kept higher numbers leading up to the summer and prevented a lot of negative publicity due to low sales. They didn't generate more sales by launching in Japan on time, hell a Golden week launch would have worked more in their favor. Vita has become a cultural target, it's market faith is well shaken and all for immature reasons, but hey, that's how the market is and Sony has made its mistakes. I just wish people were a little bit more decent and educated.

Sure, blame Vita's problems all on message board trolls.  And people in Europe and the Americas don't care if it had low sales in Japan - if the machine was enticing enough they would've purchased it regardless.  The Vita isn't getting it any worse than the Wii did in it's hayday - and that console was a beast. 

I think you're being way too melodramatic.  It's really not that hard to figure out why Vita isn't selling and Sony alluded to that in the OP.


Do you not think gaming media has influence on the market? Vita started selling like crap in Japan due to a lack of eastern appealing software and an overabundance of PSP software releases. Once Vita started dropping in sales, this included highlighting sales drops from launch numbers which is obvious, the negative articles started making their rounds all over the media. Gaming sites, electronic sits, business sites, all pointed at Vita long before world wide launch. It cultivated the Vita doom, it was already established before it even got into people's hands.

The forums, the message boards, the blogs. Those aren't just profile pics in a virtual landscape, those are real people spreading hate for the system, consumer loyalty at its worst. It's not just online, those people have friends, those friends have friends. Mass information spreads like a wildfire. When something becomes "in" it is because of perception. Vita is on the wrong end of perception to the extent that the "in" thing is to hate the Vita. It takes time to overcome something like that, people need to stop caring, stop listening to the fanatics, before the Vita will become an option for people. People are prone to social influences.

I'm not saying that is the only factor, of course price and other things serve to dissuade especially since the main competitor dropped their price heavily. Some say its software, but there was plenty of software at launch and it does have a large selection with some big names. I fear that every new console is going to be a victim of this from now on, new hardware won't have the lineup of several year old systems. It seems people are comparing it to that and not to systems during their first year on the market.

Geez, you're so long-winded...

Anyways, gaming media has very little if any influence on the market.  If it did, PS3 would've been the second coming of the PS2 and the Wii wouldn't have barely matched Gamecube numbers.

Vita's issue are games and price (and dumb nuances like proprietary memory which only further dissuades folks from purchasing it).  I don't think there is any Vita vitriol just folks being in disbelief of how poorly it's doing (and only stating the truth, not trolling.  Sony fans are just tired of hearing about it is all).  The Vita failed to resonate with most gamers by not having a wide range of appealing games available.  You can name all the games you like as a Sony fan and say that the Vita has tons of software, but Uncharted, LBPV, Gravity Rush, and whatever else you care to name aren't mainstream games that have people lining up for the system (obviously).  Before Vita launched, the press was generally favorable towards the Vita - here's one of my fav examples.

The Vita situation is all Sony's fault.  They just seemed to launch a system without lining up any support whatsoever.  They just thought if they'd release a sleek, sexy, powerful handheld with 2 analog sticks, all the devs would come and make it a success for them.  Now all they have to push the system is they're own IP, which can't move anything, and a few 3rd party flashes in the pan (P2G, PMf, etc).  So, I'm just saying, this has nothing to do with the gaming press or message board banter.  None of that stuff reaches the broader market.  It's the games (or lack thereof).  And then, the price tag.



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Judging where a console is at presently is always OK, though the early doom-sayers always strike me as a bit silly. I don't believe the Vita is going to have a good Holiday season, either, but I don't think it's going to necessarily be that big of a deal.

Personally, I think the Vita is going to be fine in the long run. It's just going to see deferred success because of the continued support being given to the PSP. It's going to struggle for awhile longer, but the popularity of the PSP in Japan will eventually translate over to the Vita. The first price-cut will be big. That will be like a second launch. I think we're about a year away from the Vita seeing a significant jump in sales. Until that time, Sony is just going to have to be content with considering PSP + Vita sales as one.



The thing always goes back to Official forecasts though.

In the end there's no opinion in sales, people say what they want, create whatever scenario is necessary... but it doesn't matter in public companies sales, as they have official predictions.

So if they said 10 million Vitas for march 2012-march 2013 and it did not manage that = fail
If then they lower the forecast to 7.5 million and still it won't make that = more fail
And then they'll lower that forecast once again and there's a highly chance that the system won't make it = even more fail

So it doesn't matter if we're preposterous or what, they are the ones turning public what fail constitutes.



VicViper said:

So if they said 10 million Vitas for march 2012-march 2013 and it did not manage that = fail
If then they lower the forecast to 7.5 million and still it won't make that = more fail
And then they'll lower that forecast once again and there's a highly chance that the system won't make it = even more fail


Aren't they set to reduce forcast even futher any day now?



Play4Fun said:

Neither PS3 nor 3DS were in as bad a position as Vita is.

PS3 was lucky enough to have 360 as a port buddy, so 3rd parties didn't have to pass them by because of their low sales or difficult architecture. Funnily enough, 360 contributed to saving the PS3.

We knew 3DS had the big games coming and it was selling about 2 or 3 times better than Vita even before the pricecut.

Of the two big games I know that are coming for the Vita this holiday, COD & AC, the COD looks and, according to impressions I've read, plays like shit.

AC is looking good.


Thats what you meant to say there right? In the case of both assassin's creed and call of duty they have proven to be worth less on handhelds but cod will sell just because the logo is on it. Even if it is trash.

I don't think ps3 was ever on track for failure. So I doubt 360 saved it.



One more thing to complete my year = senran kagura localization =D

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Kenology said:
VicViper said:

So if they said 10 million Vitas for march 2012-march 2013 and it did not manage that = fail
If then they lower the forecast to 7.5 million and still it won't make that = more fail
And then they'll lower that forecast once again and there's a highly chance that the system won't make it = even more fail


Aren't they set to reduce forcast even futher any day now?


I think november 1st, if I'm not mistaken. But who knows, maybe they'll stick with the 10 million (for Vita and PSP) one more quarter, even though everybody knows they won't make.



Galaki said:
Post Christmas: Judging Vita after its first Christmas is preposterous.

What about next Christmas?



RolStoppable said:
VicViper said:

I think november 1st, if I'm not mistaken. But who knows, maybe they'll stick with the 10 million (for Vita and PSP) one more quarter, even though everybody knows they won't make.

I think the current forecast is 12m.


Oh yeah, you're right (7,5 million vitas and 4,5 million PSP doing the same split as the 10/6 million for the previous forecast)... guess they won't have balls to stick with that then. Even if they go for 10 million they still wont make it, imo.



Holidays sales won't be that big imo. Only AC looks good and that will probably push some hardware. But all the other games won't, COD looks horrendous and not even having "Call of Duty" on the tittle will help those sells. Need for speed it's no longer a killer app, and being a remake of an old game it will do less than if it was a new entry in the series. Fifa 13 could help the sales in Europe, but that's pretty much it. 

And aside for games their are other factors that will screw the system a little bit. The new PS3 model will be the obvious purchase for some gamers over the Vita, this could have been said if Sony's didn't announced a new model, but having a "new" model will overshadowed other systems (in this case Sony's own product). Like it or not the Wii U will most likely sell really well, since it's a new console (doesn't matter if you think it's next gen or not) it will overshadowed all the "old" consoles, including the Vita, specially since the Vita and PS3 cross-play haven't been a selling point.

I feel sorry for Sony but this Christmas will be really bad for the Vita, prove me wrong Sony...



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I've been saying this for a while.

They aren't going to be pushing the console in Spring and Summer. After Christmas, when a few big games have been released and when the system has been advertised, we should take a look at sales then. And even if the sales are still unimpressive after Christmas, it doesn't automatically make it a terrible system and it doesn't mean it will disappear overnight. The GameCube limped along on similar sales.