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Forums - Sony - 'That isn't Kevin Butler', Bridgestone claims

happydolphin said:
K, Turkish, you're getting everyone banned and they shouldn't insult you, but do you at least realize there was something wrong with the logic in your opinion?


They're getting themselves banned. I don't think there was something wrong with my opinion about this. If it was an entirely commercial about tires, Sony wouldn't have problem with it, but since the ad used a videogame and controller from the competitor, they definetly have reason to sue them. It creates confusion to see that Jerry Lambert, whose most noteable work is KB, is seen with videogames other than playstation.

Thats my opinion, you guys have your opinion, I respect them, so respect mine and don't insult.



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Turkish said:
happydolphin said:
K, Turkish, you're getting everyone banned and they shouldn't insult you, but do you at least realize there was something wrong with the logic in your opinion?


They're getting themselves banned. I don't think there was something wrong with my opinion about this. If it was an entirely commercial about tires, Sony wouldn't have problem with it, but since the ad used a videogame and controller from the competitor, they definetly have reason to sue them. It creates confusion to see that Jerry Lambert, whose most noteable work is KB, is seen with videogames other than playstation.

Thats my opinion, you guys have your opinion, I respect them, so respect mine and don't insult.

You're right, everyone's opinion deserves respect, no matter how wrong it is, but it doesn't shed a good light on the one making it if it is based on poor premices.

The legal system doesn't work like what you're saying, I don't think. Jerry Lambert is an actor, first and foremost. As an actor he can play in any role he is hired for. If Sony wants to hire another actor for Kevin Butler, they sure are entitled to do that. Kevin Butler is a Sony IP, but it is not Jerry Lambert.

Also, Jerry Lambert plays alot of side roles in many movies. He's not most widely known for Kevin Butler, it's only in the minority of core gamers that he is known for that role.



Id argue that he is most well known for Kevin Butler, but I'm sure people can identify him in other things. I remember him in small roles in Malcolm in the Middle and That 70's Show.

Also, I agree with pokoko that "damage was done." First thing I remember seeing was "Kevin Butler VP of Betrayal." However, I think Sony should have been fine with the removal of him.



kowenicki said:
pokoko said:
Under the Lanham Act, I think Sony has something of a case. Clearly damage was done to their brand. They will have no problem finding evidence of that with all the articles and forum posts that sprung up after the commercials aired.

Lambert, by holding a video-game controller, associates himself with video-game consoles. Can anyone deny that? Is there anyone who saw the advertisement and did not chuckle or point? Honestly? Then damage was done when the association was made.

I think the important part of the argument is going to be whether or not Wildcat Creek or Bridgestone knew what they were doing when they had Lambert playing a Wii and if it was an intended reference. If it was done to intentionally spice up the commercial then it's pretty obviously a "false or misleading statement". Personally, I have little doubt that Lambert, at least, knew what he was doing, and that Wildcat Creek was making a conscious joke at the expense of Lambert's previous employer.

"Clearly damage was done to their brand" Are you serious!? I'd love you to quantify that for me. A load of fanboy irrational rants bragging or crying because the bloke that played the now irritating and pointless KB isn't exactly pristine evidence is it.  If their opinions mattered then the world would be fucked.

This action is what's doing harm to their brand. Easily proven (quote your own logic back at you), you only have to look at all the forums and posts since this action was brought.

Fact is, it had already blown over, nobody cared, the ad was forgotten.

Sony have dug an enormous hole and gleefully jumped into it.

An enormous hole?  What are you talking about?  I thought irrational rants from fanboys didn't matter?

Regardless, I'm talking about brand damage from a legal perspective, not whether or not the anti-Sony crowd at VGChartz hates Sony even more now than they did before.

That brand damage was done among Sony's primary audience seems pretty obvious.  I don't believe they will have trouble proving that.   As I said, the only trouble they will have is proving that it was intentional, which is the other part of the equation under the Lanham Act.  Will they be able to do that?  I don't know.  Will it go that far?  Probably not.

What surprises me somewhat is that there is hate for Sony for this when Microsoft would almost certainly take legal action in the same situation and possibly Nintendo as well.  They've all shown that they will use legal pressure to get their way, just like every other successful corporation in the world.  



I know I found it odd that he appeared in a commercial playing the Wii. I thought "Either his run with Sony is over, or it soon will be after this." However, he was NOT playing KB in this commercial. He was another character all together. I understand why Sony was so upset, and why they insisted on having him digitally removed, but Bridgestone did them a favor. Short of Sony having something in the contract saying the actor couldn't appear being seen in advertisements playing other systems (Perhaps they did, Britney couldn't be seen drinking Coke back in the 90's I'm sure) then they don't have a case.



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Yridian. Good point with Britney, but she was starring as Britney, not as a fictitious IP.



Why are people attacking Turkish? He's just happy that for once Sony does something about losing an exclusive and prevent it go multiplatform..



 

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happydolphin said:
Yridian. Good point with Britney, but she was starring as Britney, not as a fictitious IP.



And if she played a fictitious character in a tv show I'm sure she wouldn't be able to be seen with a coke either because of her likeness... Lindsey Lohan sued etrade because a baby's name was Lindsey (very common name) and was reffered to a milk-a-holic  

Brian Urlacher (Football player on the Bears) got sued by Gatoraid because he was wearing a life water (his sponser) hat and Gatoraid is the sports drink of the NFL (or something like that)



TruckOSaurus said:
It's like that time Marvel got ripped off by NewLine Cinema when they used Magneto in Lord of the Rings.

Hey Marvel isn't in the clear, they used Captain Picard in their X-men movies. They should be sued!




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Max King of the Wild said:
happydolphin said:
Yridian. Good point with Britney, but she was starring as Britney, not as a fictitious IP.

And if she played a fictitious character in a tv show I'm sure she wouldn't be able to be seen with a coke either.

Brian Urlacher (Football player on the Bears) got sued by Gatoraid because he was wearing a life water (his sponser) hat and Gatoraid is the sports drink of the NFL (or something like that)

Oh, I meant she was starring as herself in the Pepsi ad, meaning she as herself could not promote the competitor product I believe. (assuming she was on contract)