Ah, k. You seemed really defensive all of the sudden, and I thought I may have missed a post somewhere.

That in the US, but how about third world countries like mine? There are thousands, probably MILLIONS of kids living in the streets until they become old, most of them become mentally ill and other chunk becomes delinquents of some sort, addicts or what not. And they receive no help from government and are unwilling to change their lives... and remember that they are not there by choice. 

Pro life.

I was going to let this slide until you decided you were going to call me ignorant.
 
You think overpopulation has anything to do with space? That's the most ignorant thing I've ever heard.

Of course I am judgemental, the world has far too many things wrong with it, and most of them stem from using ancient belief systems which are so clearly outdated, yet because they are the widely accepted beliefs, no one seems to want to do anything about it.

You need to self-educate yourself a bit more before you start spewing about ignorance.

My post was kind've aimed at everyone.  You're post was just the catalyst.  However, I do agree that in countries like yours, these topics are much more controversial.  Where I would stand I can't honeslty say at this point in time.

However, in my own country, I don't see how one could justify having an abortion outside of the mother being in danger.

Space has to do with over population, 103 people/km² vs. 1 person/km² really isn't the same. The first is overpopulated the second isn't. And what I meant by some places still have space is that there is still space for population.

Yes the world is faulty, I agree with you with that, but what do you expect? The world can't be perfect, it is delusional to think it will. We sure can make it better though. So tell me, what's better in your opinion, people educated about sex and protecting themselves or killing many living things?

Not sure you know how the adoption process works. It's really rather shoddy. Once Babys get too old.... it's too late. Also many people would rather have an adoption or not have a child... as they don't believe the kid is a person yet. They can't think of someone else raising their kid. So they try, fail and then put their kids up for adoption. Who nobody wants because they arn't "cute newborns." and don't want a "used model". These kids live horrible lives in foster homes.

The number of people who would try this would no doubt increase without abortion.

Not to mention... why can't the US outsource that problem? There is nothing preventing any of those parents from using internation adoption to get babies from countries like Fazz's.

Well unless they arn't happy having a baby of another skin colour.

Which tends to be the case one way or another, as many minority children in the US don't get adopted. Either because they arn't wanted or because of discrimitory practices towards those who don't care about skin colour.

Also. It's not 1.5 million abortions a year. It's never been 1.5. The highest it's been was 1.4 in 1991.

The last year there is data for that i'm aware of is 2003. Which was around 800,000.

The real problem is that people treat adoption like your buying a new car. The more you pay... the better chance you get at getting a baby in the US and one that fits your qualifications best.

So until you get through the failings of the current adoption system, and get rid of the racisim prevelent it seems foolish to use that as an argument.  Unless you want to make it so only white people can't have abortions. 

Overpopulation has alot more to do with resources, food, water, energy, and the environment (pollution etc.), rather than land consumption. If land was the biggest problem we had we could just move everyone out of impoverished 3rd world countries to Canada and everything would start fixing itself.

I don't think the world will ever be perfect, I never said I expect it to be. There are many ways to improve our current world, we have the resources and abilities to put some of these things into action, but the biggest obstacle we have to overcome is our belief system.

Edit: Interesting to note, you could fit the entire worlds population in the state of texas, with each person having 1000 square feet of land.

 Hmm.

 How about if your parents had that line of thought when you were still in the womb, eh? How would you feel about it then?

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As a former fetus, I oppose all forms of abortion. 

Pro-life. Of course with exceptions in rare cases such as rape, incest, or the mother/baby is in danger. Im sure most pro lifers will agree for these cases.

It is not the RIGHT of a woman to choose between life and death of another. That is like saying if I were the father, I could choose to kill off one of my children becasue they were once part of me. It is so stupid to think of the inhumanity of people doing this because they cant control themselves enough to put on a condom, or just not do it.

Ive known girls who have had three or four, that is inexcusable. If you cant take the responsibility of a child, do not have sex. I have sex, and if my girlfriend got pregnant, we would have it even thoguh I am 17.

The entire concept of pro choice is idiotic at best. How is it a choice to choose to kill a fetus or not? "Oh but Bursche, it doenst feel pain/it isnt human yet?" How doyou know? How do you know it cant feel anything? Do you know how they do abortions? Do you want to be faulted for making anything feel that kind of pain and death? To be tossed out as a mistake. I mean to toss out a human becasue the stupid girl couldnt keep her legs closed, it is so stupid.

If you have any morals, or any kind of shed of humanity, you need to really think about how inhumane it is. Do you support torture? Or killing innocent human beings? Then how can you support something as barbaric as abortion.