@argh_college

you didn't quote my edit i think horizon won't sell as much as killzone 3 worldwide. forza 4 and killzone 3 sold almost the same and i don't believe horizon will sell as much as forza 4 (but like i said, because it's a different forza game)

and since this thread is only about usa, killzone 3 sold almost twice as much as forza 4.

Well, he was right about Halo 4 Limited Edition selling out at GameStop.

didnt Kz3 sold less than 2 ?

2 sold what ? 4 m?

Manager level i remember

you said forza horizon will sell better as killzone 3 and i responded to that, no clue why you talk about something else now^^

Forza Motorsport 3    X360    2009    Racing    Microsoft Game Studios    2.67    1.81    0.10    0.51    5.09
2    Forza Motorsport 2    X360    2007    Racing    Microsoft Game Studios    2.31    1.24    0.03    0.40    3.98
3    Forza Motorsport 4    X360    2011    Racing    Microsoft Game Studios    0.74    1.31    0.04    0.27    2.36
4    Forza Motorsport    XB    2005    Racing    Microsoft Game Studios    0.52    0.51    0.00    0.02    1.05



Forza sold 1.05M
Forza 2 sold 3.98M (Holiday bundle)
Forza 3 sold 5.09M (Holiday bundle)
Forza 4 2.36M  (No holiday bundle)
Forza Horizon pre-orders = Forza: Horizon (X360) - 5 - 4,067 - 36,743 with no holiday bundle announced yet.

So it points to reason that if this next iteration does not get bundled there’s a chance that it will perform lower then Forza 4 which is a “decline” for the franchise (exactly what I said)

What the hell are you going on about?  “i bring their franchises down aswell...”   Talking about banning...they should ban you for that ridiculous statement that makes you look like your 10 years old arguing over Xbox live or something. Certainly doesn’t make you look like a 21 year old who has college in his name id.

Who the hell cares about R3 or KZ3?  I don’t even like shooters that much and I like racing games even less. I’m an rpg guy, so if your going to retaliate and call me a fanboy, then just call out some rpg that under performed. (Hell, there’s enough of them) If you want to call someone a fanboy, let’s have a look through your post history and pick one out. BTW I have a 360, I bought it solely based on LO's exclusivity.

Just because you like a certain franchise or the platform that the franchise is on doesn’t mean it sells like Halo or Mario. I gave you nothing but data to show a series may be in decline if it doesn’t get bundled.  

Look at Sales2099 posts in this thread, was anything said to him?  Nope, because some may not like what he says, but it’s the truth. LBP Karting and All stars are doing very poorly. You can’t argue with these numbers, you don’t like them for “your franchise”, then tough. The numbers are what they are. They may be wrong in Bens eyes, but this is VGchartz, not gamestop...

@blood_tears

i still think you can't compare horizon with the other forza games, it is pretty obvious that it will be appealing to some who have no interest in the other forza games and that it won't be appealing for some who love the other forza games because of the different gamestyle. now that could mean both , it could be appealing to more or less people but surely not to the same amount of people. as example i still don't know if i will buy it but i own all other forza games and will buy all in the future which are like the "real" forza games.

it's a little bit like comparing fifa 13 with fifa street, both are football games but you shouldn't compare sales just because both have the name fifa in it.

Fixed...it just needed a little more flavor. 

Hmm While I understand your point that "spinoffs" of main ip's could result in different sales results. It's still part of that franchise and is compared to other iterations in lots of other categories such as pixel count, resolution, in this case tracks, vehicles or any other graphic comparison. And you can bet on if this doesn't review as well as F3 or F4 then the GT guys will definately compare that. I get your point, but I guess I just don't see why if when this releases it will be compared in alot of ways so why is sales off limits? 

LOL   Thanks!