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Drop tests are are lame..

I still don't get how this review is "more" objective than what was said last year when iOS5 caught up with a lot of features that used to be android only. Features wise, Android closed the gap long ago. However, Windows mobile 8 just caught up.

The reviewer also says lightening isn't quicker, false. It's 20% quicker. (I think lol)

And this part : "So why didn’t Apple just make the screen even bigger?" as if 4 inches is a negative and it should've been bigger.. maybe not everyone wants bigger screens?

"4S owners won't feel the need to upgrade". In what world is that bad? I have an i4 and I am very happy that I am not forced to upgrade yet.

This is like which browser is better all over again. Just get the one you are comfortable with, end of the story.



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Soleron said:
rocketpig said:
Soleron said:
ARM doesn't have the money to design fast processors (their per-unit revenue is only 5 cents). I think we'll see an Apple vs Qualcomm vs Samsung custom core war soon enough. Wouldn't be surprised if one of those three buys AMD as well.

I'm pretty sure Samsung doesn't have an ARM license to create their own chips. Apple snapped up one of the few licensors who can produce custom cores (Qualcomm is obviously another).

Agreed, but they have the capability, cash and motivation to do so if stock ARM cores start falling behind Apple and Snapdragon in performance/watt. The purchase of an architecture license is trivial to them.

I don't know if it's that simple, otherwise Apple would have just purchased a license for themselves. Instead, they had to buy out another company for their license. I don't know enough about the process to be certain.




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rocketpig said:

By the way, here are some tests of the iPhone 5 versus the US dual-core SIII:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2410034,00.asp

Spoiler alert: the Galaxy doesn't do very well, especially considering its ability to use a MUCH higher frequency processor due to its larger physical size and battery capacity. People who are dismissing the iPhone 5's hardware just aren't paying attention to what Apple did with the device. It's bloody impressive.

That comparison is a pure lie. On geekbench I get around 1700 on my friends S3 and that is before the update. On Jelly Bean it is above 1850. Also lol at the score from Sunspider. It is impossible, no matter what you do it doesn't go above 1450 and on Jelly Bean it is around 1150. The US variants might skew the results a bit but I don't think it would be that much, already pointed out in the comments.

The latest benchmark news acually made me realize that how crappy 4S was. Kudos to Apple for finally making a device that can compete with other high end phones.

Also I always lol at drop tests. They were trivial in the Galaxy S/S2 era because Iphone was inferior. Now that Iphone has a strong case it is one of the reasons it is more expensive. LOL. And with Iphone you still need a case for the phone because of the scuffs.



rocketpig said:
Soleron said:
rocketpig said:
Soleron said:
ARM doesn't have the money to design fast processors (their per-unit revenue is only 5 cents). I think we'll see an Apple vs Qualcomm vs Samsung custom core war soon enough. Wouldn't be surprised if one of those three buys AMD as well.

I'm pretty sure Samsung doesn't have an ARM license to create their own chips. Apple snapped up one of the few licensors who can produce custom cores (Qualcomm is obviously another).

Agreed, but they have the capability, cash and motivation to do so if stock ARM cores start falling behind Apple and Snapdragon in performance/watt. The purchase of an architecture license is trivial to them.

I don't know if it's that simple, otherwise Apple would have just purchased a license for themselves. Instead, they had to buy out another company for their license. I don't know enough about the process to be certain.

http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4204863/Microsoft-takes-ARM-license 

I think ARM will just sell you one. They have no reason to NOT sell you one since they don't make it themselves. Unlike Intel where AMD/VIA/Cyrix only acquired one via lawsuit.



michael_stutzer said:
rocketpig said:

By the way, here are some tests of the iPhone 5 versus the US dual-core SIII:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2410034,00.asp

Spoiler alert: the Galaxy doesn't do very well, especially considering its ability to use a MUCH higher frequency processor due to its larger physical size and battery capacity. People who are dismissing the iPhone 5's hardware just aren't paying attention to what Apple did with the device. It's bloody impressive.

That comparison is a pure lie. On geekbench I get around 1700 on my friends S3 and that is before the update. On Jelly Bean it is above 1850. Also lol at the score from Sunspider. It is impossible, no matter what you do it doesn't go above 1450 and on Jelly Bean it is around 1150. The US variants might skew the results a bit but I don't think it would be that much, already pointed out in the comments.

The latest benchmark news acually made me realize that how crappy 4S was. Kudos to Apple for finally making a device that can compete with other high end phones.

Also I always lol at drop tests. They were trivial in the Galaxy S/S2 era because Iphone was inferior. Now that Iphone has a strong case it is one of the reasons it is more expensive. LOL. And with Iphone you still need a case for the phone because of the scuffs.

Again, the iPhone 5's benchmarks are impressive because of its package. It's easy to ramp up processor frequency if you have the additional case size to hold a larger battery. The fact that the iPhone is competitive with the top of the line Android phones in a ~30% smaller package is impressive.

That's one of my biggest issues with Android nowadays. I have a 4.3" screen on my current phone and that's a fine size. I don't want a phone that approaches 5", I already own a tablet for that kind of use. I want my phone to be portable first and foremost. The problem with Android is that there aren't many options for top-shelf phones anymore in the 4-4.3" screen size (I know of the Razr Maxx and that's about it). The best phones are in the 4.6-4.8" screen size and that's just too damned big. Even the Lumia 920 is jumping on that bandwagon with a 4.5" screen. It's nice to have those options if you want an oversized screen but I don't want a phone that large.

And drop tests are useless, I agree on that. Who doesn't put a case on their $200+contract phone anyway?




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rocketpig said:
michael_stutzer said:
rocketpig said:

By the way, here are some tests of the iPhone 5 versus the US dual-core SIII:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2410034,00.asp

Spoiler alert: the Galaxy doesn't do very well, especially considering its ability to use a MUCH higher frequency processor due to its larger physical size and battery capacity. People who are dismissing the iPhone 5's hardware just aren't paying attention to what Apple did with the device. It's bloody impressive.

That comparison is a pure lie. On geekbench I get around 1700 on my friends S3 and that is before the update. On Jelly Bean it is above 1850. Also lol at the score from Sunspider. It is impossible, no matter what you do it doesn't go above 1450 and on Jelly Bean it is around 1150. The US variants might skew the results a bit but I don't think it would be that much, already pointed out in the comments.

The latest benchmark news acually made me realize that how crappy 4S was. Kudos to Apple for finally making a device that can compete with other high end phones.

Also I always lol at drop tests. They were trivial in the Galaxy S/S2 era because Iphone was inferior. Now that Iphone has a strong case it is one of the reasons it is more expensive. LOL. And with Iphone you still need a case for the phone because of the scuffs.

And drop tests are useless, I agree on that. Who doesn't put a case on their $200+contract phone anyway?


The point of the drop test I posted was to illustrate how good the build quality of the iPhone 5 is, without a shell attached to it. The 4s also had a really good build quality.  Compared to most every other phones out there that are mostly made of cheap plastic and nothing else.



that drop test was...unreliable. Im not saying that the info it gathered was wrong but a test shouldnt be carried out like that. As you can clearly see, the iPhone and the GS3 landed at very different angles and in different ways. A test like that should be carried out scientifically, not just by randomly dropping it a few times.



Hynad said:

The point of the drop test I posted was to illustrate how good the build quality of the iPhone 5 is, without a shell attached to it. The 4s also had a really good build quality.  Compared to most every other phones out there that are mostly made of cheap plastic and nothing else.

All you have to do is look at the iPhone 5 and see that it has a higher build quality than the S III, which is mostly plastic. The only company making phones with the same build quality as Apple is Nokia.

I don't need to drive a Mercedes into a brick wall to see that it has a higher build quality than a Ford Mustang, just looking at the thing and sitting it in will tell me that much. The Mustang might be just as fast around a race track but there's a reason it's 2/3rds the price (and it's more than just logo surcharge). Quality components cost money and the iPhone's aluminum & glass frame is more expensive than plastic.




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rocketpig said:
Hynad said:

The point of the drop test I posted was to illustrate how good the build quality of the iPhone 5 is, without a shell attached to it. The 4s also had a really good build quality.  Compared to most every other phones out there that are mostly made of cheap plastic and nothing else.

All you have to do is look at the iPhone 5 and see that it has a higher build quality than the S III, which is mostly plastic. The only company making phones with the same build quality as Apple is Nokia.

I don't need to drive a Mercedes into a brick wall to see that it has a higher build quality than a Ford Mustang, just looking at the thing and sitting it in will tell me that much. The Mustang might be just as fast around a race track but there's a reason it's 2/3rds the price (and it's more than just logo surcharge). Quality components cost money and the iPhone's aluminum & glass frame is more expensive than plastic.

Yes, but you have to show that kind of thing to all the nay sayers who are eager to jump on the hate wagon.



michael_stutzer said:
rocketpig said:

By the way, here are some tests of the iPhone 5 versus the US dual-core SIII:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2410034,00.asp

Spoiler alert: the Galaxy doesn't do very well, especially considering its ability to use a MUCH higher frequency processor due to its larger physical size and battery capacity. People who are dismissing the iPhone 5's hardware just aren't paying attention to what Apple did with the device. It's bloody impressive.

That comparison is a pure lie. On geekbench I get around 1700 on my friends S3 and that is before the update. On Jelly Bean it is above 1850. Also lol at the score from Sunspider. It is impossible, no matter what you do it doesn't go above 1450 and on Jelly Bean it is around 1150. The US variants might skew the results a bit but I don't think it would be that much, already pointed out in the comments.

The latest benchmark news acually made me realize that how crappy 4S was. Kudos to Apple for finally making a device that can compete with other high end phones.

Also I always lol at drop tests. They were trivial in the Galaxy S/S2 era because Iphone was inferior. Now that Iphone has a strong case it is one of the reasons it is more expensive. LOL. And with Iphone you still need a case for the phone because of the scuffs.


The comparison isn't a lie, the problem is that an SGS3 is not equal to an SGS3. You can see it right here in these benchmarks:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6324/the-iphone-5-performance-preview

Right in the first graph we see iPhone 5 in the lead, one SGS3 variant following very closely, and two other SGS3 variants way the hell behind. The reason? Completely different SoCs. How the hell can two phones be called the same name when one is 50% faster than the other? Scroll down to the GPU benchmarks and it gets even worse. On one test, one SGS3 outscores  another by 200%! One model also has more RAM than the other, and damned if I know which one it is.

Android fragmentation is getting so ridiculous that even the name of the device doesn't tell you what you're going to get.



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