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MARCUSDJACKSON said:
nice topic. just because Sony can't afford it, doesn't mean they won't do it.

think about it. they have that Personal 3D Viewer $799 and a 25,000 tv that i'm sure know one needs. why would you buy either of these devices?

the average person doesn't make the kind of money to purchase either of those items, but some nut at sony thought it a great idea to make.

while i agree about the financial part. and it's not smart business to blow money you can't make back. it seems to be what sony does.

a $25,000 TV!!!!

Yeah, that's pretty dumb!! Thing is though, that a company is such a complex organization. You got the CEO and the share holders, and then you got the board of directors (or whatever they're called). BoD could stop the production of PS4 if they think it's too expansive (I think). I just have a hard time believing they're prepared to bleed money like they did with the PS3 now when they're having serious money problem and the Vita failing so hard...



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Wii U releases late 2012, has good specs compared to gen 7 consoles but nothing spectacular, relies to some extent on innovative tablet controls, launch price of £250 (basic) and £300 (full edition)

XBOX 720 will release late 2013 or early 2014 I expect and will have strong specs but MS will sell at a loss to begin with so price point of about £300 at launch, with a price drop to £250 by late 2014 (see PS4)

PS4 will release late 2014, will have Wii U like specs and Sony's own innovation of some kind, they won't sell at a loss to kick off with though and will launch at about £325-350 but also a cut down version at about £250

thing is all of them now have a "market" so I doubt any will sell less than 40-50m lifetime

Wii U I expect will "win" by default as much as anything, it will have a 12 month+ head start on the others and the tablet will prove popular though not as much more as Motion controls initially were for them. expected sales by 2020 of about 100m or so

X720 will have the most features available on it, but without the innovative controls, whether the tablet will take on enough for MS/Sony to copy it I am not so sure about, will have a good start on the PS4 in terms of release. expected sales by 2020 of about 60m or so

PS4 will be another good leap from the PS3, why? because Sony will cut their losses by waiting on a release possibly till as late as early 2015, by then the economy may well be more stable and costs down, will give them also a chance to tie up a lot of big launch games, will also have a price point probably around the same as the others, giving Sony a better chance of sales, will be too far behind the Wii U but will run the X720 close thanks to European sales. expected sales by 2020 of about 60m or so



RoryGamesFree said:

Wii U releases late 2012, has good specs compared to gen 7 consoles but nothing spectacular, relies to some extent on innovative tablet controls, launch price of £250 (basic) and £300 (full edition)

XBOX 720 will release late 2013 or early 2014 I expect and will have strong specs but MS will sell at a loss to begin with so price point of about £300 at launch, with a price drop to £250 by late 2014 (see PS4)

PS4 will release late 2014, will have Wii U like specs and Sony's own innovation of some kind, they won't sell at a loss to kick off with though and will launch at about £325-350 but also a cut down version at about £250

thing is all of them now have a "market" so I doubt any will sell less than 40-50m lifetime

Wii U I expect will "win" by default as much as anything, it will have a 12 month+ head start on the others and the tablet will prove popular though not as much more as Motion controls initially were for them. expected sales by 2020 of about 100m or so

X720 will have the most features available on it, but without the innovative controls, whether the tablet will take on enough for MS/Sony to copy it I am not so sure about, will have a good start on the PS4 in terms of release. expected sales by 2020 of about 60m or so

PS4 will be another good leap from the PS3, why? because Sony will cut their losses by waiting on a release possibly till as late as early 2015, by then the economy may well be more stable and costs down, will give them also a chance to tie up a lot of big launch games, will also have a price point probably around the same as the others, giving Sony a better chance of sales, will be too far behind the Wii U but will run the X720 close thanks to European sales. expected sales by 2020 of about 60m or so

I totally agree none of them should sell less than 40-50m.

I think Nintendo or MS will take home next gen - but only if all consoles are similar in power and get the same amount of support from 3rd parties. But I don't think Sony will release PS4 as late as 2015; they've said that they don't want to get left in the dust like they did when Xbox360 launched a whole year before PS3... ANd if they reallt do release PS4 in 2015... They're done and out for.



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DanneSandin said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
nice topic. just because Sony can't afford it, doesn't mean they won't do it.

think about it. they have that Personal 3D Viewer $799 and a 25,000 tv that i'm sure know one needs. why would you buy either of these devices?

the average person doesn't make the kind of money to purchase either of those items, but some nut at sony thought it a great idea to make.

while i agree about the financial part. and it's not smart business to blow money you can't make back. it seems to be what sony does.

a $25,000 TV!!!!

Yeah, that's pretty dumb!! Thing is though, that a company is such a complex organization. You got the CEO and the share holders, and then you got the board of directors (or whatever they're called). BoD could stop the production of PS4 if they think it's too expansive (I think). I just have a hard time believing they're prepared to bleed money like they did with the PS3 now when they're having serious money problem and the Vita failing so hard...

yea the board can take a vote if they think it's to risky, but i doubt that would happen. and then we have the share holders. time and time again you hear reporters, aricles, and the writers of those articles talk about a company reasuring share holders.

if Sony can't reassure shareholders profit will be made at some reasonable point, then that's where a companies arm start's to twist.

remember, share holders have expectations, and those expectations have to be met in a reasonable time period.



MARCUSDJACKSON said:
DanneSandin said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
nice topic. just because Sony can't afford it, doesn't mean they won't do it.

think about it. they have that Personal 3D Viewer $799 and a 25,000 tv that i'm sure know one needs. why would you buy either of these devices?

the average person doesn't make the kind of money to purchase either of those items, but some nut at sony thought it a great idea to make.

while i agree about the financial part. and it's not smart business to blow money you can't make back. it seems to be what sony does.

a $25,000 TV!!!!

Yeah, that's pretty dumb!! Thing is though, that a company is such a complex organization. You got the CEO and the share holders, and then you got the board of directors (or whatever they're called). BoD could stop the production of PS4 if they think it's too expansive (I think). I just have a hard time believing they're prepared to bleed money like they did with the PS3 now when they're having serious money problem and the Vita failing so hard...

yea the board can take a vote if they think it's to risky, but i doubt that would happen. and then we have the share holders. time and time again you hear reporters, aricles, and the writers of those articles talk about a company reasuring share holders.

if Sony can't reassure shareholders profit will be made at some reasonable point, then that's where a companies arm start's to twist.

Considering the board approved a $25 000 TV I'd say they're just a tad bit crazy... ;)

The holders see what financial state Sony is in, so I think they would be pretty concerned if Sony yet again wanted to launch a very expansive playstation.... But who knows?

Anyway, I don't think the gap between WiiU and PS720 is gonna be as big as this gen. All you have to do is take a look at some picture of Nintendo games running on Dolphin; even gamecube games looks great in HD!!



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DanneSandin said:
RoryGamesFree said:

Wii U releases late 2012, has good specs compared to gen 7 consoles but nothing spectacular, relies to some extent on innovative tablet controls, launch price of £250 (basic) and £300 (full edition)

XBOX 720 will release late 2013 or early 2014 I expect and will have strong specs but MS will sell at a loss to begin with so price point of about £300 at launch, with a price drop to £250 by late 2014 (see PS4)

PS4 will release late 2014, will have Wii U like specs and Sony's own innovation of some kind, they won't sell at a loss to kick off with though and will launch at about £325-350 but also a cut down version at about £250

thing is all of them now have a "market" so I doubt any will sell less than 40-50m lifetime

Wii U I expect will "win" by default as much as anything, it will have a 12 month+ head start on the others and the tablet will prove popular though not as much more as Motion controls initially were for them. expected sales by 2020 of about 100m or so

X720 will have the most features available on it, but without the innovative controls, whether the tablet will take on enough for MS/Sony to copy it I am not so sure about, will have a good start on the PS4 in terms of release. expected sales by 2020 of about 60m or so

PS4 will be another good leap from the PS3, why? because Sony will cut their losses by waiting on a release possibly till as late as early 2015, by then the economy may well be more stable and costs down, will give them also a chance to tie up a lot of big launch games, will also have a price point probably around the same as the others, giving Sony a better chance of sales, will be too far behind the Wii U but will run the X720 close thanks to European sales. expected sales by 2020 of about 60m or so

I totally agree none of them should sell less than 40-50m.

I think Nintendo or MS will take home next gen - but only if all consoles are similar in power and get the same amount of support from 3rd parties. But I don't think Sony will release PS4 as late as 2015; they've said that they don't want to get left in the dust like they did when Xbox360 launched a whole year before PS3... ANd if they reallt do release PS4 in 2015... They're done and out for.

I dunno, I think like I said that the head start will be enough for the Wii U. normally I would agree with you but given their financial situation and such, I find it hard to see them releasing earlier and having a competitve price point/profit margin, I mean they might, but for them that would be a huge gamble as a high price point in the current climate will kill any sales potential for them, at the same time selling at a loss will likely damage the companies situation still further as well, to my mind the late launch isn't what cost the PS3, what cost it was the high launch cost, the playstation brand is still the strongest of all three imo, so even a late launch is no disaster, as long as it's priced competetively it will sell well. realistically I think maybe I can see a PS4 launching in early 2014, but before then I think is unlikely, if they do launch a year earlier than my prediction again they will need to think very carefully about pricing.



RoryGamesFree said:
DanneSandin said:
RoryGamesFree said:

Wii U releases late 2012, has good specs compared to gen 7 consoles but nothing spectacular, relies to some extent on innovative tablet controls, launch price of £250 (basic) and £300 (full edition)

XBOX 720 will release late 2013 or early 2014 I expect and will have strong specs but MS will sell at a loss to begin with so price point of about £300 at launch, with a price drop to £250 by late 2014 (see PS4)

PS4 will release late 2014, will have Wii U like specs and Sony's own innovation of some kind, they won't sell at a loss to kick off with though and will launch at about £325-350 but also a cut down version at about £250

thing is all of them now have a "market" so I doubt any will sell less than 40-50m lifetime

Wii U I expect will "win" by default as much as anything, it will have a 12 month+ head start on the others and the tablet will prove popular though not as much more as Motion controls initially were for them. expected sales by 2020 of about 100m or so

X720 will have the most features available on it, but without the innovative controls, whether the tablet will take on enough for MS/Sony to copy it I am not so sure about, will have a good start on the PS4 in terms of release. expected sales by 2020 of about 60m or so

PS4 will be another good leap from the PS3, why? because Sony will cut their losses by waiting on a release possibly till as late as early 2015, by then the economy may well be more stable and costs down, will give them also a chance to tie up a lot of big launch games, will also have a price point probably around the same as the others, giving Sony a better chance of sales, will be too far behind the Wii U but will run the X720 close thanks to European sales. expected sales by 2020 of about 60m or so

I totally agree none of them should sell less than 40-50m.

I think Nintendo or MS will take home next gen - but only if all consoles are similar in power and get the same amount of support from 3rd parties. But I don't think Sony will release PS4 as late as 2015; they've said that they don't want to get left in the dust like they did when Xbox360 launched a whole year before PS3... ANd if they reallt do release PS4 in 2015... They're done and out for.

I dunno, I think like I said that the head start will be enough for the Wii U. normally I would agree with you but given their financial situation and such, I find it hard to see them releasing earlier and having a competitve price point/profit margin, I mean they might, but for them that would be a huge gamble as a high price point in the current climate will kill any sales potential for them, at the same time selling at a loss will likely damage the companies situation still further as well, to my mind the late launch isn't what cost the PS3, what cost it was the high launch cost, the playstation brand is still the strongest of all three imo, so even a late launch is no disaster, as long as it's priced competetively it will sell well. realistically I think maybe I can see a PS4 launching in early 2014, but before then I think is unlikely, if they do launch a year earlier than my prediction again they will need to think very carefully about pricing.

I think they should do a Nintendo actually; innovate. Sadly this isn't Sony's strongest aspect in gaming business. In many ways they've always followed others, but what they need to do now is finding their own Wii; something new and exciting. I expect them to launch, at the very latest, in early 2014. Holding off any longer would be serving Nintendo and MS the up coming gen. They'll never be able to catch up then.



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DanneSandin said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
DanneSandin said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
nice topic. just because Sony can't afford it, doesn't mean they won't do it.

think about it. they have that Personal 3D Viewer $799 and a 25,000 tv that i'm sure know one needs. why would you buy either of these devices?

the average person doesn't make the kind of money to purchase either of those items, but some nut at sony thought it a great idea to make.

while i agree about the financial part. and it's not smart business to blow money you can't make back. it seems to be what sony does.

a $25,000 TV!!!!

Yeah, that's pretty dumb!! Thing is though, that a company is such a complex organization. You got the CEO and the share holders, and then you got the board of directors (or whatever they're called). BoD could stop the production of PS4 if they think it's too expansive (I think). I just have a hard time believing they're prepared to bleed money like they did with the PS3 now when they're having serious money problem and the Vita failing so hard...

yea the board can take a vote if they think it's to risky, but i doubt that would happen. and then we have the share holders. time and time again you hear reporters, aricles, and the writers of those articles talk about a company reasuring share holders.

if Sony can't reassure shareholders profit will be made at some reasonable point, then that's where a companies arm start's to twist.

Considering the board approved a $25 000 TV I'd say they're just a tad bit crazy... ;)

The holders see what financial state Sony is in, so I think they would be pretty concerned if Sony yet again wanted to launch a very expansive playstation.... But who knows?

Anyway, I don't think the gap between WiiU and PS720 is gonna be as big as this gen. All you have to do is take a look at some picture of Nintendo games running on Dolphin; even gamecube games looks great in HD!!

lol. i'd have to agree. a tad bit crazy is being a bit to nice. i'm sure there won't be that big a gap either, unless, Sony knows something we don't.



MARCUSDJACKSON said:
DanneSandin said:

Considering the board approved a $25 000 TV I'd say they're just a tad bit crazy... ;)

The holders see what financial state Sony is in, so I think they would be pretty concerned if Sony yet again wanted to launch a very expansive playstation.... But who knows?

Anyway, I don't think the gap between WiiU and PS720 is gonna be as big as this gen. All you have to do is take a look at some picture of Nintendo games running on Dolphin; even gamecube games looks great in HD!!

lol. i'd have to agree. a tad bit crazy is being a bit to nice. i'm sure there won't be that big a gap either, unless, Sony knows something we don't.

Well I didn't want to call out Sonys whole executive leaders for a bunch of stupid dumbheads less I'll be called a troll or whatnot ^^ but I'm sure there's a millionaire or two that enjoys that tv!

My money's on MS doing another leap - but nothing near as big as xbox -> xbox360!



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DanneSandin said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
DanneSandin said:
 

Considering the board approved a $25 000 TV I'd say they're just a tad bit crazy... ;)

The holders see what financial state Sony is in, so I think they would be pretty concerned if Sony yet again wanted to launch a very expansive playstation.... But who knows?

Anyway, I don't think the gap between WiiU and PS720 is gonna be as big as this gen. All you have to do is take a look at some picture of Nintendo games running on Dolphin; even gamecube games looks great in HD!!

lol. i'd have to agree. a tad bit crazy is being a bit to nice. i'm sure there won't be that big a gap either, unless, Sony knows something we don't.

Well I didn't want to call out Sonys whole executive leaders for a bunch of stupid dumbheads less I'll be called a troll or whatnot ^^ but I'm sure there's a millionaire or two that enjoys that tv!

My money's on MS doing another leap - but nothing near as big as xbox -> xbox360!

well as a sony fan i'll risk it and do it for you, cause they're allot stupider then that. well past being dumb asses or dumbheads.

yea some billionaire has that TV, sitting on a $5,000 rug in the corner of their office. yea i heard something about an executive in a bank having a $10,000 rug in their office.

well i won't bet on big leaps. this gen. cost alot of doors closed and big companies opted out of taking big risk, so i think dev. friendly consoles will be made next gen from Sony and MS.