RolStoppable said: We have a serious issue behind the scenes. Mods, it's important that you act and respond quickly. A few people are going bonkers because Conegamer apparently wants to restrict/control Mario Kart 8 tournaments on VGC. The planned rebellion is organized by a MK8 fanatic who is trying to involve as many people as possible. Which means that there's a mass PM circulating and landing in at least 50 people's inboxes. They can't make up their mind on what to do, so the thing keeps growing. At least they know what they want and that is play more MK8 tournaments than are going to be organized by Conegamer and NintendoPie. Let those people play the damn game with other VGC members and smack some sense into Conegamer, if need be. My proposed solution is that Einsam_Delphin gets to make his own tournament thread under the following condition: He is allowed to make such a thread, but in turn gives up the right to make any other other MK8 thread from now on.

So he has sent around a PM, it seems. I was wondering if he was trying to do something like this.

Really, this is getting ridiculous, Einsam. Both ConeyG and Axum have spoken to you about this by now. Hell, I've spoken with you about this many times now. Out in the open on my wall and in the PM you sent me. Even still, you are now sending around a "secret" PM? Goodness gracious.

RolStoppable said: We have a serious issue behind the scenes. Mods, it's important that you act and respond quickly. A few people are going bonkers because Conegamer apparently wants to restrict/control Mario Kart 8 tournaments on VGC. The planned rebellion is organized by a MK8 fanatic who is trying to involve as many people as possible. Which means that there's a mass PM circulating and landing in at least 50 people's inboxes. They can't make up their mind on what to do, so the thing keeps growing. At least they know what they want and that is play more MK8 tournaments than are going to be organized by Conegamer and NintendoPie. Let those people play the damn game with other VGC members and smack some sense into Conegamer, if need be. My proposed solution is that Einsam_Delphin gets to make his own tournament thread under the following condition: He is allowed to make such a thread, but in turn gives up the right to make any other other MK8 thread from now on.

This is an issue that Axum and I have been trying to handle; unfortunately it seems to have boiled over and now spread into this "mass PM" as you put it.

It's all quite straightforward really. I'm not here to restrict/control Mario Kart 8 threads despite what you may have been led to believe; I'll be having very little input in the matter. Just know that for other games in the past, including Mario Kart, the official thread has been more than sufficent to host the tourneys. This will also be true for the Smash Bros. tourney; a similar issue which we discussed here even last month. As far as I'm concerned (and I know I'm not alone on this matter) hosting tourneys in the official thread is the correct approach and it's worked perfectly fine in the past. You're more than welcome to create your own in the thread, and we will link it in the OP. Just not creating your own thread. You see, the issue with giving free reign over these tourneys is that we could easily end up with several threads for the same thing, cluttering up the forums in a disorganised manner which makes it difficullt for people to select the tourney they want to enter, spreads the pool of players too thin and generally leads to confusion. If it transpires that this official thread isn't enough, however, then I'm sure Einsam will be asked to help out. But we're still a month away from launch; so making any decision about the tourneys beyond what NinPie is planning (whatever this may be) is pre-emptive at best. 

What I'm rather sad to see is that this is something which at least three people (NinPie, Axum and I) have already discussed with him in the past and yet it still seems to be an issue, and I'm really not sure why. It's been discussed in threads, discussed on walls and discussed in PMs as well for over a month now. The fact NinPie will be doing the Mario Kart tourneys has been well-known and well-documented, even.  And yet no-one voiced any complaints then (aside from me, ironically enough). 

I'm just a little sad to see this end up like this, if I'm brutally honest. This is something which has been discussed far, far more than is needed already with Einsam and it's unfortunate that you feel like we're having a "monopoly" on this Einsam, because that's not the plan at all. As far as I'm aware the way we do things around here for as long as I remember is that the official thread does the tourneys if they want to. I don't see any reason why that should change now.

-=VGChartzeans who Disapprove=-
Einsam_Delphin
tbone51
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MoHasanie
RCTjunkie
animegaming
MohammadBadir
Hibern81
RobDX
RealGamingExpert
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Kaizar
kekrot
anthony64641
spurgeonryan
POE
PikminDude123
fleischr

And it'll keep growing! Oh, and if you wanted/didn't want to be on this list, please let me know!
Oh, and this was the initial message I sent out:

"Hello there! If you're receiving this message, it's because at one time or another you've shown interest in playing in Mario Kart tournaments here on VGC, and for that I thank you! Unfortunately, the purpose of this message is to bring to your attention a heinous scheme going on behind the scenes. I'll just put it bluntly. Conegamer and NintendoPie intend to have a monopoly on Mario Kart 8 tournaments. They say no one can hold tourneys except for them, and anyone who tries to will be moderated...

This just isn't right, as this is something that affects the community, yet they never openly talked to us about it, instead conspiring behind our backs. There's also no reason other people couldn't hold tournaments as long as they're at a different time, while there's plenty of reasons why it's bad to have only one person host tournaments, such as the fact that not everyone is gonna be available at the time of any given tournament, not everyone is gonna like the rules of any given tournament, and some will want to play in more than just one tournament a week, assuming they even hold them consistently.

So, what say you guys about all this? :O"

Einsam_Delphin said: And it'll keep growing! Oh, and if you wanted/didn't want to be on this list, please let me know! Oh, and this was the initial message I sent out: "Hello there! If you're receiving this message, it's because at one time or another you've shown interest in playing in Mario Kart tournaments here on VGC, and for that I thank you! Unfortunately, the purpose of this message is to bring to your attention a heinous scheme going on behind the scenes. I'll just put it bluntly. Conegamer and NintendoPie intend to have a monopoly on Mario Kart 8 tournaments. They say no one can hold tourneys except for them, and anyone who tries to will be moderated... This just isn't right, as this is something that affects the community, yet they never openly talked to us about it, instead conspiring behind our backs. There's also no reason other people couldn't hold tournaments as long as they're at a different time, while there's plenty of reasons why it's bad to have only one person host tournaments, such as the fact that not everyone is gonna be available at the time of any given tournament, not everyone is gonna like the rules of any given tournament, and some will want to play in more than just one tournament a week, assuming they even hold them consistently. So, what say you guys about all this? :O"

I hope you know that ConeyG has already shown that the bolded is definitely not true. This has been talked about in "public."

Einsam_Delphin said: -=VGChartzeans who Disapprove=- Einsam_Delphin tbone51 Slarvax Jizz_Beard_The_Pirate MoHasanie RCTjunkie animegaming MohammadBadir Hibern81 RobDX RealGamingExpert Zisbest Kaizar kekrot anthony64641 spurgeonryan POE PikminDude123 fleischr And it'll keep growing! Oh, and you wanted/didn't want to be on this list, please let me know! Oh, and this was the initial message I sent out: "Hello there! If you're receiving this message, it's because at one time or another you've shown interest in playing in Mario Kart tournaments here on VGC, and for that I thank you! Unfortunately, the purpose of this message is to bring to your attention a heinous scheme going on behind the scenes. I'll just put it bluntly. Conegamer and NintendoPie intend to have a monopoly on Mario Kart 8 tournaments. They say no one can hold tourneys except for them, and anyone who tries to will be moderated... This just isn't right, as this is something that affects the community, yet they never openly talked to us about it, instead conspiring behind our backs. There's also no reason other people couldn't hold tournaments as long as they're at a different time, while there's plenty of reasons why it's bad to have only one person host tournaments, such as the fact that not everyone is gonna be available at the time of any given tournament, not everyone is gonna like the rules of any given tournament, and some will want to play in more than just one tournament a week, assuming they even hold them consistently. So, what say you guys about all this? :O"

I advise you; and everyone who is in that list, to check the above post I made for clarity.

Not public enough? How about this?  This?  This? This one? How about here? Or here? Or even here?

You commented in the official thread, Einsam. You wrote on his wall, where he explained everything in public. The above are just examples from two threads which you've posted in in the past, and also one which you post in very frequently indeed. Saying you didn't know about it doesn't wash with me I'm afraid.

I'm not going to stand by and watch people throw incorrect allegations at a group of people who aren't being given all the details after all you've discussed with me, the Head Moderator and the user in question. It's simply painting us moderators and NinPie in a bad light for no real justifiable reason.

Conegamer said: It's all quite straightforward really. I'm not here to restrict/control Mario Kart 8 threads despite what you may have been led to believe; You're right, you're not, so stop trying to! Just know that for other games in the past, including Mario Kart, the official thread has been more than sufficent to host the tourneys. This will also be true for the Smash Bros. tourney; a similar issue which we discussed here even last month. As far as I'm concerned (and I know I'm not alone on this matter) hosting tourneys in the official thread is the correct approach and it's worked perfectly fine in the past. Already went over this. The past is irrelevant, what matters is the here and now, and right now this is indeed a problem! The issue with giving free reign over these tourneys is that we could easily end up with several threads for the same thing, cluttering up the forums in a disorganised manner which makes it difficullt for people to select the tourney they want to enter, spreads the pool of players too thin and generally leads to confusion. If it transpires that this official thread isn't enough, however, then I'm sure Einsam will be asked to help out. But we're still a month away from launch; so making any decision about the tourneys beyond what NinPie is planning (whatever this may be) is pre-emptive at best. Already went over this with you aswell. They would not be the same thing, they'd be completely different tournaments, and it's also hypocritical since you allow other threads to made with a topic similar to an official thread. Just look at all of tbone's Smash threads and my Kart threads. And yet again, it's too late to prevent clutter. Already thousands of threads on this site with more and more made everyday. A few additional threads wont change anything. What I'm rather sad to see is that this is something which at least three people (NinPie, Axum and I) have already discussed with him in the past and yet it still seems to be an issue, and I'm really not sure why. It's been discussed in threads, discussed on walls and discussed in PMs as well for over a month now. The fact NinPie will be doing the Mario Kart tourneys has been well-known and well-documented, even.  And yet no-one voiced any complaints then (aside from me, ironically enough). Well known you say, yet no one I messaged was aware of this prior to said message. Regardless, the fact of the matter is a significant portion of the Nintendo community does not approve! See the list for yourself!

 

Responses in quote! I needa get on my computer so I can respond faster!

Another huge question is why does it limit to only the 2 of you to make MK8 tournies? What made you 2 guys the HOST for the MK8 tournies? Cuz you posted it first? its not an info thread which is understandable cuz then there is no need for more than 1, but for playthroughs?

We would Have to follow your rules and especially TIME schedule!!! In Pokemon people made several threads for battling/trading/etc. I dont see the big problem especially when Einsam is the biggest MK fan here and will probably b the best host in terms of reliability!

Beside you Run the Nintendomation thread, and isnt that hard to keepup with?

How is Einsam suppose to say "hey guys lets have a 16 track grand prix on Tuesday, without anybody knowing about it?

Hogging up the rights to make tournies is very selfish. Im going to be helpin out with the SSB tournies/free for alls/etc but if somebody wants to make a tourny for themselves (or play throughs), now they cant cuz me and Truckosaurus are the main ones to do so???

C'mon now, there were no troubles in the past when i did Kid Icarus Uprising Tournies and MK7 ones, despite MK7 Having 3 or 4 threads from VGC :-/

What is the problem with NinPie doing an official "Tournament thread", where people can organise stuff amongst eachother?

NinPie is active enough that he can update the thread, contribute to discussion and join in with tournaments. I see no problem with it.

If Im being silly and missing something, feel free to tell me to shut up.

MK8 "rebellion"? What in the world are you guys up to? -_-

Will anyone be allowed to host tournaments (using the Official MK8 thread) or is it just Cone and NinPie that'll have that power?

How utterly embarrassing...

If people want to have their own thread for whatever, what could possibly be the rational for not allowing it? The whole concept of thinking a place like this need 'official' threads for anything is ludicrous in the first place.

How about this: If anyone feels they want to have their own thread for whatever, let them do it. If there is a need for the thread it will live, if there's not it will die.

Oh noes! There will be two or even more threads with different players playing Mario Kart tournaments??? So fucking what?! The player pool is diluted? Oh no! If that's what people want then let them dilute the fucking player pool, who gives a shit? The forum will be difficult to navigate? Right? Complete BS, the forum is already overrun with all sorts of completely irrelevant crap, if someone wants their own little special club, what could possibly be the problem?

This smells heavily of people wanting to hold on to control of 'their' thing as if they have some sort of first dibs on official this and official that and if someone wants something else then threaten with bans and warnings. Ridiculous! This is a goddamned videogame forum, not the UN Security Council. If someone wants to have their own three player Mario Kart league with shiny images and sparkly stars, fucking let them! And finally, to anyone in the moderation theme that thinks this whole business with 'official' threads and delegation 'official' responsibility to users over certain topics is a good idea, I recommend a good long look at what this forum is and what a moderator should be for.