I like you gergroy.  I hope you know that.  If i were to put together a mod team on this website, id put you on it.

I'd say that's a good assessment and idea. No point getting worked up about something IMO.

Thank you very much good sir!

I said directly that the community has every opportunity to come here and argue against any moderations we make. What *doesnt* work is the whole gang mentality "We dont think he should be banned! Unban him!" thing. You need arguments. You cant just say "10 of us disagree with it, its bullshit"... The 10 people actually need to argue it.

Fight your corner, show us how we are wrong in moderating someone and we can be persuaded to change our minds. Back when I was getting banned by Maxwell every other Week I actually contacted the mods and argued my case. It worked wonders. I have admitted my mistakes in the past on here and Ill surely be doing it again in the future. Its no biggie and most of the time Id rather not be banning people so Id be happy to be proved wrong, but both sides need to go about it the right way. Popping in with vague complaints, potshots at our ability to do the job and general unpleasantness is never going to get anyone anywhere. 

What the community says matters, of course it matters, but a simple show of hands will not cut it. People have been unbanned in the past and people will be unbanned in the future. There is no "We are right, you are wrong"... There is a "We think we are right on this, you are welcome to prove us wrong".

I suppose you could argue that it falls in line with the whole moderation talk thing, yeah. Me? Id put it in with the last bulletpoint of Rule 13, regarding insults and flaming if I was to put it in line with the general rule set. It was addressed in more detail in the thread I linked earlier - 

3. Taunting banned members may result in moderation. Going to the wall of a banned member (whether they deserved it or not) and saying something like "lol" or "you deserved it", etc. will be grounds for moderation henceforth at the discretion of the mod team. As mentioned already, this site is circling in negativity and we feel the best way to improve this atmosphere is to try and eliminate some of these unnecessary sources of annoyance between members.

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Like I said though, depending on the terms of that users perma, *certain* things would get a free pass from me. Outright insults I would probably moderate.

Another moderator may see things differently, but I wont be moderating people for laughing and joking on someones wall if they were an unbearable pain in the arse for the majority of time they were here. The lack of any action from other mods leads me to believe they are in the same boat, though I aint asked any of them. -shrugs-

The Pezus thing was part of a pattern of much larger behavior, which had to do with this idea that the PlayStation Nation was some sort of semi-independent fiefdom that just happened to share a border with the VGC Forums, and not really under our jurisdiction.

It was an attitude that needed to be smacked down one way or another. Certainly after attempts at productive dialogue failed.

Im sorry, but he asked a question. It was never against the rules so basically you all decided to make rules as you went along to set an example?  Basically what you all did was wrong and therefore turned people against you.  I said it a long time ago but you all should be focusing on negativity, not nitpicking comments or banning people because youre not in the mood.  Look if you all want to continue to defend this, so be it.  Doesnt make it any more right.

@Carl -  i still prefer vague as to commenting page after page to be teamed up on by mods over explanations that was given months ago, insulted, have the community insulted, and lastly still not come into to any kind of resolve regardless that if it actually broke the rules or that much of the community finds it to be nonsense. Sounds like fun times.

If i stayed with the vague comments we would still have the same conclusion therefore nothing is solved

Fair enough, if vague is what you prefer then vague is what we will get. Nobody insulted you though, nobody insulted the community. Im not sure where you got that from.

Ive really tried helping you out here. You ignored the meat of the post I gave you earlier and focussed on one problem you had, the whole pezus thing. I asked you about any current problems you may have which you ignored, I explained and admitted I didnt have details on certain things and couldnt comment on them, I explained the "leverage" and post history stuff we do. I totally, completely explained exactly what pezus did wrong with his post.

I fully, clearly explained to you what you (and others) need to do when arguing against moderations. It isnt about the numbers, it isnt about how many people may agree or disagree with a moderation. People have argued a case before and got themselves and other people unbanned and/or warnings removed. 

I really do not know what else I can do to help you. Here. I dont know what you are wanting from us or this thread anymore. Ill just ask you this, what Truck asked you earlier. Youre quite clearly passionate about the moderation here and I think it would be good to hear your answer.

Does that mean jaywood is the next target? And doesn't Conegamer own the Nintendo thread? Are the other mods planning to overthrow him? Gooch is probably safe since the Playstation thread is pretty dead. Getting MUGEN will be tough since he has mod protection from Kresnik, Vita fans gotta stick together yo. I wonder how long the mods have been planning this conspiracy to take down the nation leaders. Dangerous times here in VGC. 

On this point I broadly agree. Generally people should have been warned a couple of times long before they receive an actual ban for massive quote trees.

As to the other blow ups in this thread - I don't know why people have such an issue with some of the methodology Mods use for determining how to act. At least Cone/Carl/Khan have a measured system.

My approach is more like:

Eh, i'm with you on the methods. The only reason i have a method to begin with is simply because once you've done something for two years, you have a pattern down to it. Plus it's been shaped by input from the others, but i still do most of the individual moderations without input.

You'll get the hang of it soon enough.