The PS4 WILL come next year. There's just no way they could wait two years to join the next generation. That's way too big of a hurdle to overcome. I think it's going to be the PS4 vs. 720 in an epic throw down. I can't wait to see the marketing blitz and trash talk between the two companies. Should be entertaining.

My body and my wallet is ready for a PS4, and i will buy it day one. Until then, i really feel comfortable with my PS3. I never was a graphic whore and the games on PS3 do look very very great. But i'm also into PC gaming, and i know what is possible with actual tech.

All i hope is Sony doesn't mess up the release date again. I want it the same date japanese people get it! I want it to release before christmas, not in january or something. I want it to release with at least 5 top notch games.

And i don't want it to be announced a year before its release. Heck, announce it and give me the damn hardware in maximum 4-5 months. I hate waiting. But until announcement, i am not waiting for it...

@S.T.A.G.E.

With all due respect would these be the same people who told us that the PS4 would be announced at this years E3 press conference. Just about everyone in the industry was predicting just that as little as half a year ago. You will have to forgive us if we don't take these people seriously. Given the fact that they have no credibility. It is sadly all too easy for some people to wave around credentials, and to spout off like they just had a personal audience with God himself.

A good rule of thumb is that people who talk. Generally don't know what they are talking about. The people who know things with certainty don't need the self validation. They are also the people who know that there is money to be made by keeping the cat in the bag. I am sorry, if you don't have proof that someone is credible based on a real track record. Then we can't take them at their word, and the mob is just a pack of circle jerks.

Representatives from Sony aren't any better mind you. Their job is to get your attention. So they can sell you on something, and they know that the more times they say something, and the more times they get you to listen. The more likely you are to buy what they are hocking. Vague language, and pretend slip ups are a good way to get more people to watch, and an even better way to keep them coming back. They aren't lying really. They are just saying things in a way that makes you pay extra special attention.

That link you posted lead to a interview that was twenty seconds of vague language, and seven minutes of touting the PS Vita. It was a virtual infomercial, and of coarse he would say anything to get people to tune in. Hell all that vague language had me listening very intently. He didn't say shit about shit. He just wanted people to pay close attention, because that is what makes a pitch more effective. He probably sold a few Vita's with that meaningless drivel.

i'm not so sure, but if they consider them selves in comp. with ninty then, 2015 would be to far off.

I have been saying this over and over till I turn blue in the face. MS and Sony will NOT be releasing in 2013! Neither of them feel the need to, with the WiiU simply a catch up to current HD standards, and in general both wanting to capitalize more on the current gen. I am almost positive this is what MS and Sony's little face to face meeting was for a few months back.

This is only reinforced by the fact Sony says they will still support PS3 till 2015. It would be PS3 suicide to announce and release in 2013, sales will plummet for the just breaking even console. The same happened to the Wii after the WiiU was announced, I don't think that worked out how Nintendo wanted either. It is far more likely that the next MS/Sony consoles will be announced in early to mid 2014, then later released Christmas season or 2015.

Also for many thinking of how Sony handled PS2, PS3 doesn't have those kind of legs to survive after the nxt console comes. That actually hurt PS3 early on as a product (although Sony did it cuz PS2 was pure profit) because people could still get the latest games on their older hardware for a LOT less. This time around Sony will be wanting to pull the Plug almost instantaneously just like MS and NIN did on their last gen systems.

It is really not that hard to believe. There is nothing telling the HD twins they need to come out now. WiiU is not marking the start of Next Gen, it just isnt. The hardware is just too close to what we currently already have. I think it has completely cemented the mind set MS and Sony take towards Nintendo, they just have an entirely different strategy and market. The next systems from MS and Sony will have a pretty massive leap in capabilities I am sure. If this mattered at all to the Big 3 why the hell would NIN release the WiiU so under powered(I say this because it is only barely above current gen)? They don't feel affected by each other. So....taking that into consideration what would be forcing them to launch next year? Nothing, and it just seems to be a foolish move when there is so much more profit to be had this gen. The idea that the second the next consoles are announced, they can kiss those profits goodbye.

Yes the profits have dropped Y/Y...but what do you think will happen with the Next generation? I do not believe sales are slowing because of disinterest, it is the economy which has forced many would be buyers to wait longer before they are able to get one.  Its not a sprint but a marathon. This gen is just selling at a much slower pace than previous ones do to this fact. All of this will be moot tho if they announce PS4. Sony already made it clear they think Each Generation should last more than the previous 5 year cap. They have stated time and time again that PS3 would be around for 10+ years. Sony has some very large AAA games coming Next year as well, and a few others still waiting to be dated. I think they want to capitalize on those games sales, and not cap them like they ended up doing the GOW games on PS2. Also, even if sales are off the charts right now, PS360 has quite a few price cuts left in them before they should throw in the towel. Wasn't $150 when the PS2 started selling like crack?

And the WiiU's supposed lead if they are to delay, assuming that Sony or MS even care, will not have any large impact on PS4/720. Take the 3DS for example, sold what...5million its first year? Then the following year it is past 15million! They tripled their sales in no time at all. If 3DS can make that kind of an about face in a years time why not next gen HD consoles? Wii came out a Year after 360, outsold both of the other consoles. You guys make 2 years sound like an eternity, it is really not that long of a time. The WiiU is doing what right now? Padding its library with Multiplatform games that released on PS360 a year ago....a few NIN exclusives here and there. Only the NIN faithful are gonna be taking that early leap. And definitely not going to have the same effect this gen had with the death of the 3rd Party exclusive. In that time PS4/720 will be 3 times as powerful and at a comparably decent price to whatever WiiU is at the time.

In general I don't think many 3rd Parties or the Big Three are even ready for "Next Gen". With it comes a even higher benchmark when they struggled so hard just to stay afloat this gen. They need to perfect on what they have learned now, and regroup strategies on how to tackle bigger developments next gen.

1. I didn't say they should come out now, or even this year. I said they should release in 2013; 2014 at the latest. You're 2015 prediction is too far. The consoles are already spiraling down now. Regardless of what Sony & Microsoft does, they're going to be down even further in 2013, barely sustainable. 2013 is really the last chance they have at any sustainable Holiday. During 2014, they'll be down way more than that. Yet you think they can remain sustainable until 2015? Not gonna happen

2. It's not the Wii U that'll force them to release. It's the fact that the consoles are currently experiencing an irreversible plummet in terms sales & profit. If they don't get new consoles out by 2013/2014, they'll be losing out on a lot of money

3. Again, they are making profits, but these consoles cannot remain suffiently profitable until 2015. You seem to be suggesting that Sony & Microsoft wait until the PS360 are barely relevant before releasing their successors. That's not smart. It's better to release their successors when the PS3 & 360 are somewhat sustainable and not close to dead. That'll stimulate the brand name and give the new consoles some momentum.

4. Profits may go down, sure. But that's the result of merely starting a new generation. Starting a new gen is going to be profitable/not profitable regardless of when they choose to release their new consoles.

5. Or maybe it's the fact that the consoles have been out for over six years, there has been over 200 million consoles sold (more than any other gen), and we're reaching saturation. That 200 million figure is only going to grow in 2013 and 2014. So waiting until 2015 is suicide since anyone who wanted a PS3 or 360 would have bought one years ago.

6. True, it's a marathon. But releasing the PS4 and 720 in 2013/14 will not contradict that. By releasing then, that would still be 7-8 years after the PS360 first released.

7. No it would not. It would still be a marathon if the PS4 released in 2013/14, because that would still be 7-8 years after the PS3 launched. That's still a marathon.

8. Not sure how this relates to what I said. I didn't say the PS4 should release five years after the PS3 launched. I said 7-8 years.

9. Not sure how this disproves my point. They also had a 10-year plan with the PS2, but that doesn't mean the PS2 had to last 10 years on its own. The same goes with the PS3. The PS3 can last until 2013/14 on it's own (which would be 7-8 years). Then it could last from 2013/14 until 2016 while the PS4 is also on sale. So the PS3 being around for ten years does not disprove my point. 

10. Releasing large games at the end of a lifecycle has always been Sony's strategy with console transitions. They do that intentionally to give the preceeding console a great sendoff to increase hype for the succeeding console. You're suggesting that Sony stall the PS4 until those AAA games have sold for quite a while, which I assume would be about 2 years. That's a bad idea. That would cause the PS3 to have a poor ending and it will leave a bad taste in gamers  mouths when deciding to purchase a PS4. It's better to give the PS3 a relatively strong finish before releasing the PS4. Sony did it with the PS1 and the PS2. I don't see why they wouldn't do it with the PS3.

11. Expect price cuts this year or next year. But don't expect massive sales. Remember what I said earlier about saturation. Also, when the PS360 do recieve prcie cuts, that does not mean Sony & Microsoft should wait until the price cut wears off and the consoles are completely dead. Remember what I said about having a strong transition. It's best to release your succeedng consoles when the preceeding consoles are moderately healthy. And with the consoles spiraling down right now, cutting the price will not make the PS360 sell gangbusters. But it will cause them to be moderately healthy, which is the perfect time to release their successors.

12. It's not the Wii U that'll force them to release. It's the fact that the consoles are currently experiencing an irreversible plummet in terms sales & profit. If they don't get new consoles out by 2013/2014, they'll be losing out on a lot of money

13. Wow..Firstly, the 3DS didn't even release worldwide until this year, so of course there would be a gigantic increase. Secondly, the 3DS is not apart of a generation saturated over 200m consoles. Needless to say, the HD consoles will not be making any drastic increases next year.

14. I'm never said I had a problem with Sony & Microsoft waiting two years. I don't see them waiting three years (2015). With sales already spiraling down, waiting another three years is ridiculous.

15. It's not the Wii U that'll force them to release. It's the fact that the consoles are currently experiencing an irreversible plummet in terms sales & profit. If they don't get new consoles out by 2013/2014, they'll be losing out on a lot of money