The guy forgot when the PS3 was launched at $600 the GPU based (GeForce 7800) was $350 to $400... only the GPU.

Don't really trust all of this "sources", I'm going to wait until the thing comes out for the definitive specs

I thought Italics was an error of my browser...

Underlined: Simple, any company can make a console for like, 1500$ and it will be superior to anything Microsoft and Sony put out at 400$. Even someone with a gaming rig that consists in any modern kepler GPU has no reason to downgrade to a X720 or PS4.

BOLD: Sony had massive losses with the PS3, PSP was left in the dust by third parties some good years ago. I don't need to mention PSVita, I wonder if they will ever recover from that one, and now they will repeat this with PS4?

I don't think so. The next most powerful console I dare to say is Microsoft. But like I said, nothing that touches a modern gaming rig.

Between the 2 routes, which one is Sony taking ?? And bear in mind that they might be doing their own take on the Wii U Gamepad, and if so, I'm expecting a console just as the same as the Wii U.

I agree. People seem to be forgetting Sony can't just do another 'PS3' or 'Vita' with the PS4. They've only lost money this gen. Shareholders won't allow a repeat of current events.

Microsoft is in the best position as they've been doing quite well for most of this gen. They've managed to establish quite an installed base with the 360. Whether that installed base will shift to the XBox 8 remains to be seen but in any case, Microsoft could be the only one producing a console that's going to cost more than it makes at launch giving them the performance advantage next gen.

That's the price of the desktop gpu. With costs like shipping and advertising factored in. And a considerable profit margin.
The cost of the RSX was considerably lower as it's a custom chip based on existing hardware and it's the product in a multi-year deal.

I expect them to go the same route as the Vita. Powerful machine at an affordable price tag. Obviously more powerful than the WiiU, not enough for an Wii-PS3 situation though.

I meant they could do a console on par with the most modern GPUS, my bad. Imagine a console that has the same performance as a 2500$ pc rig. That's what I meant, sorry for bad phrasing.

Yes, sony can release an underpowered console, they did it with the PSone, which was behind the N64, and they did it with the PS2, which was behind the Gamecube and Xbox.

It's funny how just one gen can twist people's mind or at least the most young/unexperienced gamers. Wii is the only console Nintendo released that was underpowered and al of a sudden they are a company that doesn't invest in hardware. Sony makes once, a home console that is the most powerfull and all of a sudden they are the ultimate gaming powerhouse.

Doesn't work like that, that's why I'm saying that I'm not expecting PS4 to be in the same ballpark as the X720.

PS2 << Gamecube << Xbox

Wii U << PS4 << X720

thats my bet.

The hardware within the Wii was relevent for about 3 years before the games started to look comparatively embarrassing to the competition's.  The same thing is likely to happen in the way of the Wii U.  It will be behind the curve beyond its first 3 years, and sales will likely drop off as they did with its predecessor.  The Wii U will be seen a few years from now as a previous gen machine with a next gen peripheral, just like the Wii has been for the past few years.

I bet Wii U will have strong sales for a few years, then lose favor with the general consumer like the Wii.  Who knows, it may even outsell the competition and end up in first place for the second generation in a row.  But the system must see a huge consumer demand, similar to that of the Wii, if Nintendo expects that to ever happen again.  Right now there's a lot of consumer confusion, so hopefully next month they can iron that all out.

WIll the real Nintendo please stand up and tell us the specs straight out?  It's getting pretty tiring hearing back and forth arguments over how stronger the system is stronger than PS3-360 and/or if it can stand up to PS4/720.  I feel like this newest "report" from Eurogamer doesn't really tell the whole story, especially if they quote some "anonymous" developers.

3rd parties never cared, whereas Nintendo stopped caring after 2010 (or earlier depending on the school of thought you subscribe to) which is the source of the drop in sales, not because of the tech.

I don't know, I seem to think that NIntendo put all their focus on other things once they realized that consumer demand had dropped off.  Sort of a "well, nothing we can do about this, time to move on", and their focus went strictly to Wii U and 3DS.  Even with major Nintendo games that came out within the last few years, sales dropped off regardless.  I just get this gut feeling that with the same philosophies being put into their next console that the same thing will happen.