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Sadly, the Vita is dead. There is a chance it can reanimate in the holiday season if Sony performs a price cut.

Otherwise the system will just be dragged along by Sony with just first party titles until they can afford price drops. Its definitly looking grim as we dont see the same commitment to make it a sucess that nintendo has with the 3DS.



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small44 said:

I think if Sony do a price cut sale with increase then developpers will increase the support and sale will improove even more.

A small price cut means a small increase in sales which means a small improvement in developer publisher support... Also if publishers are holding off on making PSV games now due to poor sales, it will take time for developers to create games once sales improve, and a small price cut won't have a long enough lasting effect (by the time games are completed any increased interest due to better pricing would have died again)

Don't get me wrong, I don't think the Vita is going to die... Sony will push it as much as they can just like they had to do with the PS3 till it finally caught on with the slim. Even if it doesn't pick up speed the Vita will at least be in production for 5+ years.

It will take a lot more push for the Vita to be an actual success though, the PS3 had a few advantages the Vita won't get. First of all it was following the PS2, so publishers and developers were eager to jump in with the system before it launched. It also had the X360 to back it up as developers settled into making multiplatform games for those two and excluding the Wii, wheras much fewer resources can be shared with another platform for Vita games.



Ajescent said:
oni-link said:
Ajescent said:
the2real4mafol said:
at least wait until January 2013 after the christmas season is over before trying to say the vita is dead


Considering people have been saying it's dead even before it launched, I think it's safe to say you are asking too much.


Funny, I thought many analyst and forums thought the other way around; including many people here at VGC.

 

http://vita.mmgn.com/News/PS-Vita-will-outsell-3DS-analyst

http://www.gaminginfowire.com/blog/2011/12/analysts-believe-that-playstation-vita-will-outsell-nintendo-3ds/

I disagree because I can remember saying over and over, "let it come out first before you criticise it."

He's right though, Ajescent - there were threads with a lot of folks saying the PS Vita would crush the 3DS; particularly when 3DS was struggling and again when the Vita was about to launch.  Only a matter of time before someone bumps them for lolz depending on how the Vita performs this holiday.



VicViper said:

The classic one is

http://www.ign.com/articles/2011/10/22/the-playstation-vita-is-set-to-succeed

"For better or for worse, Vita will be pitted against the Nintendo 3DS. But the comparison doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and even if you were to pit them against each other, Vita is still destined to sell better. "

Two months before launch. People were quite optimistic about Vita. The price at E3 was a god given gift to most. Heck, everybody here expected better, by little or by much . I know I did.

Wow, Moriarty was extremely dismissive of the 3DS and even hostile almost.



I don't think 50$ is a small price cut for a handheld and  Personna 4 sold well despite the low user base so i don't see why other titles do the same thing.

I think Xbox360 not help PS3 but the oposite Xbox360  had nearly the same games and is less expensives so Sony was forced to  do price cut every time Xbox360 do es a price cut.



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

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Kenology said:
Ajescent said:
oni-link said:
Ajescent said:
the2real4mafol said:
at least wait until January 2013 after the christmas season is over before trying to say the vita is dead


Considering people have been saying it's dead even before it launched, I think it's safe to say you are asking too much.


Funny, I thought many analyst and forums thought the other way around; including many people here at VGC.

 

http://vita.mmgn.com/News/PS-Vita-will-outsell-3DS-analyst

http://www.gaminginfowire.com/blog/2011/12/analysts-believe-that-playstation-vita-will-outsell-nintendo-3ds/

I disagree because I can remember saying over and over, "let it come out first before you criticise it."

He's right though, Ajescent - there were threads with a lot of folks saying the PS Vita would crush the 3DS; particularly when 3DS was struggling and again when the Vita was about to launch.  Only a matter of time before someone bumps them for lolz depending on how the Vita performs this holiday.

And there were just as many doomsayers, it went both ways.



PS One/2/p/3slim/Vita owner. I survived the Apocalyps3/Collaps3 and all I got was this lousy signature.


Xbox One: What are you doing Dave?

Ajescent said:
Kenology said:
Ajescent said:
oni-link said:
Ajescent said:
the2real4mafol said:
at least wait until January 2013 after the christmas season is over before trying to say the vita is dead


Considering people have been saying it's dead even before it launched, I think it's safe to say you are asking too much.


Funny, I thought many analyst and forums thought the other way around; including many people here at VGC.

 

http://vita.mmgn.com/News/PS-Vita-will-outsell-3DS-analyst

http://www.gaminginfowire.com/blog/2011/12/analysts-believe-that-playstation-vita-will-outsell-nintendo-3ds/

I disagree because I can remember saying over and over, "let it come out first before you criticise it."

He's right though, Ajescent - there were threads with a lot of folks saying the PS Vita would crush the 3DS; particularly when 3DS was struggling and again when the Vita was about to launch.  Only a matter of time before someone bumps them for lolz depending on how the Vita performs this holiday.

And there were just as many doomsayers, it went both ways.

and yet you forget to mention the ones that was echoing how the 3DS was gonna get smashed by the Vita.  I really wonder if you(or even those who thought the Vita to succeed) would even give the 3DS the same benefit of the doubt if things were the other way around.



Kenology said:
VicViper said:

The classic one is

http://www.ign.com/articles/2011/10/22/the-playstation-vita-is-set-to-succeed

"For better or for worse, Vita will be pitted against the Nintendo 3DS. But the comparison doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and even if you were to pit them against each other, Vita is still destined to sell better. "

Two months before launch. People were quite optimistic about Vita. The price at E3 was a god given gift to most. Heck, everybody here expected better, by little or by much . I know I did.

Wow, Moriarty was extremely dismissive of the 3DS and even hostile almost.

I wonder what he is saying now that the Vita is struggling to sell past 2mil units worldwide nearly 9 months after releasing in Japan.  Honestly,  2 mil sold is a dysmal figure especially seeing how many big guns (many of the gaming press were touting the best launch games ever the article is one of them) the system had during it's launch window.  It's quite funny how low expectations are for the system which many are hoping to hit 5-6mil by Sony's fiscal year March2013; in which the system will be 12-15 months old (depending on who you ask).  That's in stark contrast to Sony who had hoped to sell 10 mil units which was already a low figure for a system that's been released that long.



 

Oni-link, you obviously don't understand the industry very well. 

1st, you are determined to believe that the Vita is selling at a loss without any evidence and against a reasonable defense that it is at least breaking even. Hardware aside Vita is selling memory cards, accessories, and both retail and digital software. All of which is selling at a profit. No one should attest to the Vita not being a profitable venture. Over 2 million owners right now purchasing items over the next several years including all digital accessibility adds up to a lot of cash. To call it quits now would be sacrificing the millions of dollars it took to R&D and produce the console. Practically being one of the worst business decisions the company could make right now.

2nd, the Vita hasn't hit a proper holiday season yet and trying to include last year in Japan is pathetic, besides selling 481,573 in the 3 weeks it had there in December doesn't help your position? Sales will start picking up entering into the holiday and until we witness a full WW holiday season it is only grasping at straws to claim the Vita is dead.

3rd, support is coming for the system. Sony's Gamescom conference was almost entirely for the Vita, presenting big franchise titles and announcing highly anticipated new IPs. Sony is obviously not holding back on their dedication for the system. They've placed several developers onto the Vita all of which has a cost. If the console was to be killed off all that money would go to waste and more would have to be spent if they were ported over to PS3 to salvage them. There is no indication from Sony whatsoever that the system is going anywhere but forward. They also announced PS1 classic support, PS+, dedicated Cross Buy, and PS Mobile this fall for Vita.

4th, Sony hasn't even taken any drastic moves to "fix" the system. There hasn't been a price drop for the console or for the memory cards. They are approaching the holiday season with bundles and creating the Cross Buy incentive, of which barely affects software sales as practically no one buys the same game twice. Long before the system could ever die price cuts would be made, several even.

The money is made on the back end of a system, not on the system itself. It seems like you along with many others have drunk the hate Sony coolaid. No matter what move the company does there seems to be a lot of opposition against them. Maybe there in lies their actual problem. A Public Relations issue could very well be the reason the Vita isn't selling well. On one hand there are the internet masses that push their own agenda against the company, write that off as much as you like but public opinion is moldable and can have dramatic sweeping effects over any topic. I've studied it and there are countless examples of the public being manipulated by organizations or even by a few individuals, is it such a surprise that a larger amount of people as unimportant as some of those might be are able to sway the purchasing decision of millions of people using the most advanced and capable communications device history has ever known?

So I must implore you, and every last one of you, who are attacking this company to stop. Regardless of what satisfaction or what purpose you feel it serves to have your opinion heard on the internet, you are doing others a great disservice and and damaging a company's name of whose consumers enjoy their products. You yourself might feel your opinion has no affect, but how many actually see your threads? And from there how many have their opinion affected and create their own threads? So on and so forth. Destructive opinions are far more effective than constructive ones, that's why flame articles recieve more attention than positive ones. Do you not know what you do or are you intentionally aiming for the outcome your threads project?

 



Before the PS3 everyone was nice to me :(

oni-link said:
Ajescent said:
Kenology said:
Ajescent said:
oni-link said:
Ajescent said:
the2real4mafol said:
at least wait until January 2013 after the christmas season is over before trying to say the vita is dead


Considering people have been saying it's dead even before it launched, I think it's safe to say you are asking too much.


Funny, I thought many analyst and forums thought the other way around; including many people here at VGC.

 

http://vita.mmgn.com/News/PS-Vita-will-outsell-3DS-analyst

http://www.gaminginfowire.com/blog/2011/12/analysts-believe-that-playstation-vita-will-outsell-nintendo-3ds/

I disagree because I can remember saying over and over, "let it come out first before you criticise it."

He's right though, Ajescent - there were threads with a lot of folks saying the PS Vita would crush the 3DS; particularly when 3DS was struggling and again when the Vita was about to launch.  Only a matter of time before someone bumps them for lolz depending on how the Vita performs this holiday.

And there were just as many doomsayers, it went both ways.

and yet you forget to mention the ones that was echoing how the 3DS was gonna get smashed by the Vita.  I really wonder if you(or even those who thought the Vita to succeed) would even give the 3DS the same benefit of the doubt if things were the other way around.

I did, I also said the same thing to people who said the Vita would beat the 3DS or that the 3DS would fail or should be discontinued.



PS One/2/p/3slim/Vita owner. I survived the Apocalyps3/Collaps3 and all I got was this lousy signature.


Xbox One: What are you doing Dave?