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Runa216 said:

yet you made it clear that what I was going to say had no value before you even knew what I was going to say.  "Oh, so it's just the same as all your other rants?" no, it's not. 

You exaggerate, and your defensiveness is becoming boring.

Saying that you are treafing old ground is not the same as saying that the argument has no value; it does, however, mean that your energies might be better focused in another direction, even when applied to the same argument. Again: the best way to foster constructive conversation is to be constructive, and you've repeated that you have no intention of doing that, from your mouth to our ears.

Again: all it takes is to approach your argument from a different direction, and even people who fundamentally disagree with you about FFXIII's quality can get behind you.



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YukanaSenix said:

The most interesting thing is how SqureEnix and the 360 Fanbase are still defending this.
Everyone knows Final Fantasy can sell this numbers alone on the PS3 or even more as the Tales of Franchise showed.They got an insane boost just cause it(Tales of Xillia) was PS3 Exclusive.
The same would happen with Final Fantasy just with much bigger numbers...Versus 13 or FF15 could sell 8 Million with ease on the PS3/PS4.Especially after the let downs 13 and 13-2 were.And no one can deny that - It would happen.People are hungry and have the mindset a PS3/PS4 Exclusive would be amazing(the details about Versus13 still prove how everything is possible that isn't as a multiplat - weird isn't it?) - Alone the hope from the people on the infos we have about Versus13 would boost the sales as a PS3 Exclusive hardcore.
There is no reason for SquareEnix to support Microsoft any longer with Final Fantasy - The Sony side could reach those numbers with ease alone.

I think you may be a touch delusional.  8 million with ease?  you do realize that only two FF games have ever made more than 8 million sales, VII and X.  VII was the 'groundbreaking bestest game of all time' contender, and X was a well done followup on the highest selling console of all time.  to assume that a new FF game would 'easily' break 8 million by being on one console is just...well, it's not very logical at all.  5 million? sure, I can handle that, it would put the game's sales just a touch above where XIII is on PS3, but don't go thinkingit'd practically double in sales just becuase it's exclusive.  



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YukanaSenix said:
axumblade said:
Boutros said:
SnakeDrake said:
Dose it match VG numbers

 

1 Final Fantasy XIII PS3 2009 Role-Playing Square Enix 1.54 1.02 1.87 0.44 4.85
2 Final Fantasy XIII-2 PS3 2011 Role-Playing Square Enix 0.58 0.43 0.85 0.19 2.06
3 Final Fantasy XIII X360 2010 Role-Playing Square Enix 1.10 0.59 0.01 0.19 1.89
4 Final Fantasy XIII-2 X360 2011 Role-Playing Square Enix 0.25 0.21 0.01 0.05 0.53
Total 3.47 2.25 2.75 0.87 9.34

 

So I guess that's great tracking by VGC!

Don't know why I didn't know that XIII-2 on PS3 sold more than FFXIII on the 360. I guess it makes sense though.

The most interesting thing is how SqureEnix and the 360 Fanbase are still defending this.
Everyone knows Final Fantasy can sell this numbers alone on the PS3 or even more as the Tales of Franchise showed.They got an insane boost just cause it(Tales of Xillia) was PS3 Exclusive.
The same would happen with Final Fantasy just with much bigger numbers...Versus 13 or FF15 could sell 8 Million with ease on the PS3/PS4.Especially after the let downs 13 and 13-2 were.And no one can deny that - It would happen.People are hungry and have the mindset a PS3/PS4 Exclusive would be amazing(the details about Versus13 still prove how everything is possible that isn't as a multiplat - weird isn't it?) - Alone the hope from the people on the infos we have about Versus13 would boost the sales as a PS3 Exclusive hardcore.
There is no reason for SquareEnix to support Microsoft any longer with Final Fantasy - The Sony side could reach those numbers with ease alone.

But FFXIII was exclusive to the PS3 in Japan and it still didn't do as good as previous games. Surely it had something to do with the fact that the PS3 isn't as popular as the PS2 was so we can't blame Square-Enix for realizing that too and making the franchise multiplatform.



Khuutra said:
Runa216 said:

yet you made it clear that what I was going to say had no value before you even knew what I was going to say.  "Oh, so it's just the same as all your other rants?" no, it's not. 

You exaggerate, and your defensiveness is becoming boring.

Saying that you are treafing old ground is not the same as saying that the argument has no value; it does, however, mean that your energies might be better focused in another direction, even when applied to the same argument. Again: the best way to foster constructive conversation is to be constructive, and you've repeated that you have no intention of doing that, from your mouth to our ears.

Again: all it takes is to approach your argument from a different direction, and even people who fundamentally disagree with you about FFXIII's quality can get behind you.

Explaining why something doesn't work IS constructive criticism.  If I just said "this doesn't work", that's just being critical.  by examining the roots of a gameplay mechanic, it really brings to light what about it didn't work and how to fix it.  Not sure what about that you don't understand.  



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Runa216 said:

Explaining why something doesn't work IS constructive criticism.  If I just said "this doesn't work", that's just being critical.  by examining the roots of a gameplay mechanic, it really brings to light what about it didn't work and how to fix it.  Not sure what about that you don't understand. 

We're at an impasse, it seems, where mutually assumed ignorance is going to act as something of a permanent roadblock.

So be it; let me know if that article manages to do what you intend for it to do (whatever that is, in truth)



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Boutros said:

But FFXIII was exclusive to the PS3 in Japan and it still didn't do as good as previous games. Surely it had something to do with the fact that the PS3 isn't as popular as the PS2 was so we can't blame Square-Enix for realizing that too and making the franchise multiplatform.


Highly disagree here as the japanese aren't that dumb. i mean the "regional exclusive" trick doesn't mean shit really.

the japanese audience with both XIII & the -2 are still pretty upset about the westernization and they do feel that is the foremost problem with the XIII series. i have to agree that going back in excluisve mode would boost sales since (part of) the trust in Square's direction would come back

Versus will be a great sales "benchmark" to help square re establish its affiliations. a prediction of 5 mil is totally realistic

360 owners talk big but console-rpg sales don't agree with them. if the FF brand helped on its own sell the game, let's not bs our selves, that happened on the 360 and i predict sales of a possible  XIII-3 will show a far greater decline on the console and prove me right

my prediction is that a possible XIII-3 would also help XIII-2 see a small rise in sales since its the very first direct sequel in the series and people would wanna see the story in its entirety and itself could do about 2 mil



Runa216 said:
Khuutra said:

So are you telling me that you came up with a laundry list of design problems that weren't addressed in that novel you've posted a couple of t-

You know what that's not really addressing the base of the problem, which is that "This shit sucks and this is why" articles just aren't very interesting to read, and where they are they still don't foster meaningful dialogue. You've expressed a desire to get good discussion going, so move away from that mode.

Then don't read it.  and yes, I have a few points I've never pointed out and have never seen before.  Yes, I am obligated to mention much of the stuff I already have, but there's a lot of more accurate points explaining why it doesn't work. 

And this is why I got banned.  your eagerness to hate whatever it is I have to say is precisely WHY I said I knew there'd be flames so I might as well enjoy it...and then people cheered.  Why must you be so eager to hate me just because I disagree with you?  

Ah, yes, Khuutra is the true definition of a guy who is just bent on hating whatever you have to say.

And honestly, people don't really hate you. I don't at least, but it's hard to not scoff a bit when you write so condecendingly. I read nearly all of your in a super loud, tense voice because that it how your posts read.



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Train wreck said:
Hmm the squares made me think of tactics style gameplay.

i was thinking about this, coupled with the "new direction" stuff they could be going for something different and someone already suggested an arpg might be it.

let me throw another crazy idea on the table. a turn based XIII battle system that would focus even more on the strategy



outlawauron said:
Runa216 said:
Khuutra said:

So are you telling me that you came up with a laundry list of design problems that weren't addressed in that novel you've posted a couple of t-

You know what that's not really addressing the base of the problem, which is that "This shit sucks and this is why" articles just aren't very interesting to read, and where they are they still don't foster meaningful dialogue. You've expressed a desire to get good discussion going, so move away from that mode.

Then don't read it.  and yes, I have a few points I've never pointed out and have never seen before.  Yes, I am obligated to mention much of the stuff I already have, but there's a lot of more accurate points explaining why it doesn't work. 

And this is why I got banned.  your eagerness to hate whatever it is I have to say is precisely WHY I said I knew there'd be flames so I might as well enjoy it...and then people cheered.  Why must you be so eager to hate me just because I disagree with you?  

Ah, yes, Khuutra is the true definition of a guy who is just bent on hating whatever you have to say.

And honestly, people don't really hate you. I don't at least, but it's hard to not scoff a bit when you write so condecendingly. I read nearly all of your in a super loud, tense voice because that it how your posts read.

I'd be more flattered if you said Sheldon Cooper.  I mean, I kind of DO carry myself like him, in that I have that snooty "I'm right and you're wrong" attitude.  It's not so much condescension as much as it is arrogance.  I don't think others suck, just that I'm awesome.  

And yeah, lots of people hate me.  my general behaviour tends to be very polarizing.  some people adore my 'don't hold back, take no shit' attitude, whereas others just find it rude, obnoxious, or as you said, condescending.  I used to be very meek and apologetic, very interested in having intelligent debates with people, but as time went on I found out that a timid nature gets you nowhere.  Being a nice guy is great, but it only works when the people you're around are nice guys too.  

So yeah, I'm not as hateful as I seem, I'm just strung out on the internet.  Too many people making too many irrational arguments for me to not be condescending.  

Then there's Final Fantasy XIII.  man, I wanted SO hard to like that game.  I played it, thought it was boring...and for 20 hours I kept telling myself "it gets better, it has to."  and while there was a point in the game I genuinely liked (chapter 11, also known as Gran Pulse), it was too little too late.  hell, the game even broke my first PS3, forcing me to get a new one and I picked it back up 3 months later just so I could finish it.  much as my demeanour would indicate otherwise, I really wanted to like it.  All this time I knew deep down inside that it was an objectively bad game, but until recently I couldn't really put my finger down on WHY it was bad.  yeah, it had a lot of things I didn't like, and a lot of things that didn't work, but that's no reason to hate a game or deem it "the worst game to come out this generation" (of the AAA titles, I mean).  so I've been skittering around this idea for an article for a while now, hoping to shed some light on the main reasons the game fails as a game.  

I'm still hesitant to write it, BECAUSE of all the people who will simply take the opportunity to tell me I'm a troll, I'm ignorant, or have no place talking about a game I hate.  Hell, look at some of the responses I got on my Final Fantasy XIII-2 review from earlier in the year!  lots of straight up hatred on that review, even though I spent half the review praisig what XIII-2 did right.  



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Runa216 said:
outlawauron said:
Runa216 said:
Khuutra said:

So are you telling me that you came up with a laundry list of design problems that weren't addressed in that novel you've posted a couple of t-

You know what that's not really addressing the base of the problem, which is that "This shit sucks and this is why" articles just aren't very interesting to read, and where they are they still don't foster meaningful dialogue. You've expressed a desire to get good discussion going, so move away from that mode.

Then don't read it.  and yes, I have a few points I've never pointed out and have never seen before.  Yes, I am obligated to mention much of the stuff I already have, but there's a lot of more accurate points explaining why it doesn't work. 

And this is why I got banned.  your eagerness to hate whatever it is I have to say is precisely WHY I said I knew there'd be flames so I might as well enjoy it...and then people cheered.  Why must you be so eager to hate me just because I disagree with you?  

Ah, yes, Khuutra is the true definition of a guy who is just bent on hating whatever you have to say.

And honestly, people don't really hate you. I don't at least, but it's hard to not scoff a bit when you write so condecendingly. I read nearly all of your in a super loud, tense voice because that it how your posts read.

I'd be more flattered if you said Sheldon Cooper.  I mean, I kind of DO carry myself like him, in that I have that snooty "I'm right and you're wrong" attitude.  It's not so much condescension as much as it is arrogance.  I don't think others suck, just that I'm awesome.  

And yeah, lots of people hate me.  my general behaviour tends to be very polarizing.  some people adore my 'don't hold back, take no shit' attitude, whereas others just find it rude, obnoxious, or as you said, condescending.  I used to be very meek and apologetic, very interested in having intelligent debates with people, but as time went on I found out that a timid nature gets you nowhere.  Being a nice guy is great, but it only works when the people you're around are nice guys too.  

So yeah, I'm not as hateful as I seem, I'm just strung out on the internet.  Too many people making too many irrational arguments for me to not be condescending.  

Well, you're certainly a unique person. I've never thought I'd read or hear someone who said they're snooty and arrogant as compliments to themselves. Carry on, screw the haters?



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