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Kenology said:

????????

My sarcasm detector broke or something?


Yes it is, hope it's still on warranty. Those things are hard to come across



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chapset said:
Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
chapset said:
when you think about how good the DC was this is really good news for Sony, the PSV might even outsell the N64 and gamecube


I think you missed the part when 

 

PSV worldwide sales = DC japan ONLY sales. 

PSV is better because it's selling worldwide unlike the dreamcast which mean Sony is winning over Sega, also the PSV is already the second best selling handheld this gen which isn't a small feat.

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VicViper said:
Kenology said:

????????

My sarcasm detector broke or something?


Yes it is, hope it's still on warranty. Those things are hard to come across

I'm relieved.



VicViper said:

You'll punch me, but I still say MH is going to be announced for Vita in Japan this TGS. Very 3DS-esque scenario: a quick cash-in and a future exclusive version.

I agree, I've actually said as much before. Games take a while to develop; there's probably high profile games that have been in the pipeline for a while but which we don't know about yet. MHP4th on Vita wouldn't surprise me.



TWRoO said:
Sam3o said:
TWRoO said:
Sam3o said:
Huh??? How so? Vita sales are now 2.7 million. Dreamcast topped out at 2.25 million in Japan.

The platform total's page on VGC is wrong for some reason... not sure how much more DC may have sold in Japan but the console shipped 10.6 million in total (2.4m more than VGC world total). Similarly PS1 only shipped 102.49 million, yet on that page it is at 104.25 million, and the Sega Saturn shipped 9.5 million (i think, as I remember something about 13 million as well, but that might just be Sega Master System), not 8.82 million.

Yeah, that's true. Some VGC numbers for older console are off (Games as well), but not for Japan. Tracking sales in Japan is much more accurate than other regions considering we have both Famitsu and Media Create. VGC numbers should be accurate for Japan. Those missing sales should be from the other markets (mostly from developing countries).

Well yes, the sales tracking can be off especially for older games, but there isn't any viewable sales tracking on here for any non 7th gen games or consoles except for the PS2 hardware on that total's page.... the other figures I mentioned (PS1, DC, Saturn) are not wrong due to poor tracking but some kind of input mistake (they are meant to be final shipment figures).
It's possible you are correct about the Japan figure being right for DC, because the Saturn figure for Japan definately seems correct compared to my memory (I remember being suprised it beat the N64) but if 2.25m is correct it's not due to the accuracy of sales tracking.

I don't know. Weekly sales were tracked for ages now in Japan (since early 1990's?) as opposed to the recent attempts in US and Europe less than a decade ago. Shouldn't final shipments and sales published by say Famitsu be practically the same?



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curl-6 said:
VicViper said:

You'll punch me, but I still say MH is going to be announced for Vita in Japan this TGS. Very 3DS-esque scenario: a quick cash-in and a future exclusive version.

I agree, I've actually said as much before. Games take a while to develop; there's probably high profile games that have been in the pipeline for a while but which we don't know about yet. MHP4th on Vita wouldn't surprise me.


If you were talking about a next generation console with processing power far beyond existing and emerging platforms this would be valid; after all, had developers had to drop the PS3 in 2007 to focus on the Wii they would have "lost" a large portion of their work. With the PS-Vita they can port to the XBox 360, PS3, PC, Wii U, and (probably within 12 to 18 months) smartphones with very minimal lost effort.

Certainly, there would be some work lost and not all games would be viable for every platform, but in many cases it would make sense to port the game to other platforms to increase the total userbase by 10 to 100 times.



binary solo said:
archbrix said:
Even in the 3DS' weeks prior to its price drop (when it hit its lowest numbers due to all the hold-outs), it didn't fall to numbers as low as Vita has recently. Ouch!

My beef with Vita is not that it's a bad device, but that without it, Sony would focus more on the PS3, which would be much better for them (and me). And let's face it: Sony is certainly not in any position right now to be championing a very niche device in today's mobile market.

Things will surely pick up a bit during the holidays and after its inevitable price drop next year, but 3DS is only going to become stronger and increase its install base even more over time, and short of a veritable miracle, I don't see Vita having a very bright future.

True, but I think the real PSP fans will get a Vita eventually. So the question is, how many true PSP fans are there? If much of that 74 million in PSP sales is a soft market then Vita's problems are going to deepen. I think Vita might be faced with GameCube level unsuccess. That was the true core of Nintendo fans, and I think the true core of PSP fans is probably at, or slightly below, GameCube levels. Whether Vita can convince many people outside that core to buy is very much in doubt.

Personally I think Sony should sell a PSP clip on unit for Playstation mobile certified smartphones that gives you the analog sticks and buttons you want for that really good portable experience, but that you can put away for when all you want is the touch screen experience or to simply use it as a phone. Yep, I think Vita should be Sony's last dedicated handheld. And it probably will be.

The problem is that the change in format and the lack of backward compatabilty/transferabilty makes all the PSP users free agents. In other words, they will have to leave all their old games behind if they upgrade, so they either don't or wait or don't necessarily stay with the same brand.

Meanwhile, Nintendo handhelds have always started with b/c. The GBA played GB/GBC. The DS played GBA. The 3DS plays DS.  You don't lose your library at upgrade. It may slow some new software sales, but it creates install base and Nintendo has generally made profits on hardware (except for the 3DS from the pricedrop until recenlty) So it has been a sound startegy.

Nintendo has even started to follow that with consoles -- Wii played GC. WiiU will play Wii.

Sony did that with consoles too -- especially PS2 playing PS1. But it abandoned it quickly with the PS3 b/c to the PS2. It has not done that with handheleds (PSV does not play PSP).

Meanwhile, for the record, Microsoft has required software for b/c.

 

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Sam3o said:
TWRoO said:
Sam3o said:
TWRoO said:
Sam3o said:
Huh??? How so? Vita sales are now 2.7 million. Dreamcast topped out at 2.25 million in Japan.

The platform total's page on VGC is wrong for some reason... not sure how much more DC may have sold in Japan but the console shipped 10.6 million in total (2.4m more than VGC world total). Similarly PS1 only shipped 102.49 million, yet on that page it is at 104.25 million, and the Sega Saturn shipped 9.5 million (i think, as I remember something about 13 million as well, but that might just be Sega Master System), not 8.82 million.

Yeah, that's true. Some VGC numbers for older console are off (Games as well), but not for Japan. Tracking sales in Japan is much more accurate than other regions considering we have both Famitsu and Media Create. VGC numbers should be accurate for Japan. Those missing sales should be from the other markets (mostly from developing countries).

Well yes, the sales tracking can be off especially for older games, but there isn't any viewable sales tracking on here for any non 7th gen games or consoles except for the PS2 hardware on that total's page.... the other figures I mentioned (PS1, DC, Saturn) are not wrong due to poor tracking but some kind of input mistake (they are meant to be final shipment figures).
It's possible you are correct about the Japan figure being right for DC, because the Saturn figure for Japan definately seems correct compared to my memory (I remember being suprised it beat the N64) but if 2.25m is correct it's not due to the accuracy of sales tracking.

I don't know. Weekly sales were tracked for ages now in Japan (since early 1990's?) as opposed to the recent attempts in US and Europe less than a decade ago. Shouldn't final shipments and sales published by say Famitsu be practically the same?

Well like I said, as the Saturn figure for Japan seems correct as I remember it being in the past here on VGC, you could be right about DC Japan... All I know is the figures on that page are meant to be final shipment figures for dead consoles, and as the final shipment figure for DC is 10.6 million, (which I don't think ever included a regional breakdown) there is definately something amiss. Perhaps without a regional breakdown ioi estimated the region shipments based on older data (occasional news snippets about the DC, or in Japan's case famitsu sales data) which probably does mean the Japan figure is nearest the truth.

All I know is there are definately a few misplaced figures on that page. PS1 being the most obvious as Sony's final shipment figure is less than that on here.



Thread title changed to a less misleading one. Blame the source not me...

Well now the sales doesn't look that bad XD



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NiKKoM said:
aikohualda said:
i dont think it is doomed.... it already outsold Nokia NGage for fuck sake!

Neheh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles#Nokia
3 million baby!
don't mess with the NGage!

fine MAYBE, just MAYBE by the end of the year! :P