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-Newcloud- said:
Sony shouldn't bet so high on assassins creed, ubisoft releasing it the same day as AC3 is sending it to die. Someone at ubisoft needs to tell them to release the vita version 2-3 weeks before AC3


according to benvtrigger (he's got the gamestop, america intel) assassin's creed will the be best seller of all upcoming vita titles.



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happydolphin said:
Dgc1808 said:

You're closer with the second but it doesn't mean "dev unfriendliness". The system isn't able to handle high-end PS3 level assets for obvious reasons. With it's screen size, neither does is have to in order to look as good. I can't imagine a dev needing to think very hard to come to:

 "huh... the PSV screen is smaller than my tv... Maybe that character model doesn't need a shirt with textures that good to look nice."

His choices in words were a bit poor but it's pretty clear he's saying that less work needs to go into making PSV assets that will look as good on the Vita screen as it would on a PS3 connected to a HDTV. The "smart" part is about devs not wasting resources making assets bigger and more detailed than they need to be.

Okay, I get it now. I shouldn't have said the word idiot regarding that phrase and should've just asked, so now I see your point.

I'm not sure how cheap it would be, still, and I would not assume PSP dev costs. However I can understand that it would be cheaper than PS3 level costs.

At the same time, cheaper is not too good either, since the PS3 costs are already fairly high. It would need to be much cheaper.

But if all this is true, what about AI, what about all the complex processing that apparently the HD twins could do but the Wi couldn't? Why would players want a sub-par version and would they notice it?

That really all depends on what kind of game the developer wants make. As far as presentation goes, the PSV game doesn't have to be sub-par.



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Dgc1808 said:

That really all depends on what kind of game the developer wants make. As far as presentation goes, the PSV game doesn't have to be sub-par.

I understand what you mean, but with a game like COD the precision is important so lower detail is a factor for enjoyment. I understand that the resolution is acceptable because of the screen's size (it's a quarter of an HD screen), the detail is still lesser than the HD twins. That can affect things like shooting at a distance and seeing small objects, and having a clear vision of the objects on screen, especially when the resolution is right but the detail isn't quite so.

Next, I was constantly told that games like AC needed the better processing power to have more characters on screen and a high level of AI. Aparently the Wii wasn't capable to offer that experience. Can the Vita? And if not, why would people buy it and not the Wii? Honest questions.



kitler53 said:
-Newcloud- said:
Sony shouldn't bet so high on assassins creed, ubisoft releasing it the same day as AC3 is sending it to die. Someone at ubisoft needs to tell them to release the vita version 2-3 weeks before AC3


according to benvtrigger (he's got the gamestop, america intel) assassin's creed will the be best seller of all upcoming vita titles.

That's a bold statement. If Call of Duty is supposed to be Vita's saviour, then I fear for what kind of numbers it'll achieve. Of course if he's talking about current status based off of pre-orders, then I understand.



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happydolphin said:
Dgc1808 said:

That really all depends on what kind of game the developer wants make. As far as presentation goes, the PSV game doesn't have to be sub-par.

I understand what you mean, but with a game like COD the precision is important so lower detail is a factor for enjoyment. I understand that the resolution is acceptable because of the screen's size (it's a quarter of an HD screen), the detail is still lesser than the HD twins. That can affect things like shooting at a distance and seeing small objects, and having a clear vision of the objects on screen, especially when the resolution is right but the detail isn't quite so.

Next, I was constantly told that games like AC needed the better processing power to have more characters on screen and a high level of AI. Aparently the Wii wasn't capable to offer that experience. Can the Vita? And if not, why would people buy it and not the Wii? Honest questions.


Well, I've never developed for the Vita or Wii but I wouldn't be surprised to hear that Vita could handle a game like AC better than the Wii.

Wii has 91MB of ram total vs PSV 512MB (128MB VRAM)
Wii has 729MHz single core processor vs PSV 4-core which I can't find exact numbers on but can be anywhere between 800MHz to 2Ghz and carries the same cache sizes)
Everything I can find suggest a similar difference in GPU's between the two systems that appears between the two in CPU specs

In raw horse power, the PSV seems significantly more capable than the Wii.

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Dgc1808 said:

Well, I've never developed for the Vita or Wii but I wouldn't be surprised to hear that Vita could handle a game like AC better than the Wii.

Wii has 88MB of ram total vs PSV 512MB (128MB VRAM)
Wii has 729MHz single core processor vs PSV 4-core which I can't find exact numbers on but can be anywhere between 800MHz to 2Ghz and carries the same cache sizes)
Everything I can find suggest a similar difference in GPU's between the two systems that appears between the two in CPU specs

In raw horse power, the PSV seems significantly more capable than the Wii.

Fair enough.

It still falls short of the HD experience, how will consumers react to that? Will the loss in detail and processing power that leads to lower dev costs lead to a loss in the experience? In the end that's the bottom line.



happydolphin said:
Dgc1808 said:

Well, I've never developed for the Vita or Wii but I wouldn't be surprised to hear that Vita could handle a game like AC better than the Wii.

Wii has 88MB of ram total vs PSV 512MB (128MB VRAM)
Wii has 729MHz single core processor vs PSV 4-core which I can't find exact numbers on but can be anywhere between 800MHz to 2Ghz and carries the same cache sizes)
Everything I can find suggest a similar difference in GPU's between the two systems that appears between the two in CPU specs

In raw horse power, the PSV seems significantly more capable than the Wii.

Fair enough.

It still falls short of the HD experience, how will consumers react to that. Will the loss in detail and processing power that leads to lower dev costs lead to a loss in the experience? In the end that's the bottom line.

We'll just have to see how AC:L turns out and is received.



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leatherhat said:
Exclusive cod, ac and bio shock? Can't be doing too bad. It's japanese devs they seem to be struggling with.


Yeah I actually agree with this. It seems to me that all the Japanese devs have moved on to the 3DS since it has become established in Japan. Plus the 3DS is doing okay in the west as well so localising some of those games here is also a good option. On the other hand the Vita never really caught on in Japan and western sales aren't that good either. So it seems only the western devs are supporing it.

This is quite surprising given the PSP was pretty much carried to whatever success it had by the Japanese devs. Maybe the games just cost too much to make and there's not enough payoff as of yet.



 

SaviorX said:
So there seems to be a lot riding on the success of Assassins Creed.

What would be considered a success for this game, 500k in America? 750k in Europe? 2 million worldwide? The attach rate.......so in general Sony is asking that this be the biggest Vita game yet.......


Ttach rate is pretty good for vita. Uncharted has a 25 percent attach rate without pan sales. And I think the general idea is that big games will move hardware. Nobody is expecting ac to sell 2 million the first week.



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kitler53 said:
-Newcloud- said:
Sony shouldn't bet so high on assassins creed, ubisoft releasing it the same day as AC3 is sending it to die. Someone at ubisoft needs to tell them to release the vita version 2-3 weeks before AC3


according to benvtrigger (he's got the gamestop, america intel) assassin's creed will the be best seller of all upcoming vita titles.

That's a bold statement. If Call of Duty is supposed to be Vita's saviour, then I fear for what kind of numbers it'll achieve. Of course if he's talking about current status based off of pre-orders, then I understand.

well, if you think about it it sort of makes sense.  proprotionally CoD has done much better on 360 than ps3 while AC has done better on ps3 than 360.  if we assume that vita owners are primarily ps3 owners then AC interest kind of makes sense.

..but anywho, it's not my bold statement.  but benvtrigger is someone i personally trust.  he's been pretty good at calling sales in n. america so far.