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is anyone else having trouble connecting to PSN? I can't even sign in, it says connection to network could not be established, but the wireless is working on my laptop so idk what the deal is.



 Been away for a bit, but sneaking back in.

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SvennoJ said:
Zappykins said:
Gamerace said:
Blu-ray is only 30%? Still? That's terrible. Adoption is really slow and it will likely be replaced by digital downloads before it ever becomes dominate. Still it would be advisable for MS to adopt for their next system if just for room for game data.


Right!  This should be the best time for Blu-ray movies, but few people are buying them.  It's missing it's 'big window' of sales, which it should be thriving in now.   DVD came out in Japan in 1996, and a year later North America 1997, Europe 1998, and Australia 1999. Blu-ray format was standardized in 2004 and came out in 2006.  Technology still marches on, and the tech is showing it's age, and they will not be able to compete with the 2K or 4K screens that will be coming out soon.

In my opinion Blu-ray is a dead format.  It did better than the 2.88 floppy drive, but too much fighting over the format and its being replace by something better and more flexible.

Fiber, fiber is easy to use over long distances, and doesn't have the same problems that copper wire does with interference and traffic. Stream is so much a more convenient and easier to use product.  Plus, they do not punish you with unskippible commercials like most Blu-ray movies do (for most services).

When Google Fibre is offering 1000 megabytes a second upload and download - why bother with a relatively slow data transfer of a Blu-ray player? 

 

PS It would be nice if the next Xbox played Blu-rays.  But if it doesn't, I wouldn't really care.

Google fibre is offering 1000 megabits per second, that's 125 MBps, still a ton of data and twice as fast as a 12x blu-ray drive at 54 MBps.
HVD is promising the same 1 Gbps or 125MBps.

Anyway I can't buy Google fibre in a store, I would have to physically move to a location that offers that. I don't expect it to come around to my town of 11k within the next 20 years.

And sure you don't have unskippable commercials in movie streams, yet. My tv on demand provider has them for the 'free' content conveniently locking out fastforward for those programs. Once it becomes mainstream you will see the commercials appear with movies as well. My biggest problem with stream atm is that you don't have a choice of soundtracks including lossless sound and no extras.

Well, I don't know if Google will ever go to your town.  But someone else will - and because fibre, once it is down, is so much easier to upgrade and less prone to interference, you could have might much higher bandwidths that you have today.  The pressure from Google with force Verizion, Comcast, Time Warner, ATT and others to improve their services and expand or get rid of caps.  (Data caps are just a way for them to make money.)

As far as commercials.  We have them already on many services: Hulu Plus and Crackle, have commercials while Zune, Amazon Video, and Netflix all do not - and you can fast-forward, rewind, skip head to your heart's desire.  Even Netflix has 5.1 surround now, and Zune always did at 1080P (if you have enough data speed.) You often can get Some extras, but yes, that is sometimes and advantage of a disc.

   My buddy can come over - we log into his account, and we can watch from his entire purchased library.  Nothing to carry, nothing to break or get scratched.  It is super convenient.



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

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Zappykins said:
SvennoJ said:
Zappykins said:
Gamerace said:
Blu-ray is only 30%? Still? That's terrible. Adoption is really slow and it will likely be replaced by digital downloads before it ever becomes dominate. Still it would be advisable for MS to adopt for their next system if just for room for game data.


Right!  This should be the best time for Blu-ray movies, but few people are buying them.  It's missing it's 'big window' of sales, which it should be thriving in now.   DVD came out in Japan in 1996, and a year later North America 1997, Europe 1998, and Australia 1999. Blu-ray format was standardized in 2004 and came out in 2006.  Technology still marches on, and the tech is showing it's age, and they will not be able to compete with the 2K or 4K screens that will be coming out soon.

In my opinion Blu-ray is a dead format.  It did better than the 2.88 floppy drive, but too much fighting over the format and its being replace by something better and more flexible.

Fiber, fiber is easy to use over long distances, and doesn't have the same problems that copper wire does with interference and traffic. Stream is so much a more convenient and easier to use product.  Plus, they do not punish you with unskippible commercials like most Blu-ray movies do (for most services).

When Google Fibre is offering 1000 megabytes a second upload and download - why bother with a relatively slow data transfer of a Blu-ray player? 

 

PS It would be nice if the next Xbox played Blu-rays.  But if it doesn't, I wouldn't really care.

Google fibre is offering 1000 megabits per second, that's 125 MBps, still a ton of data and twice as fast as a 12x blu-ray drive at 54 MBps.
HVD is promising the same 1 Gbps or 125MBps.

Anyway I can't buy Google fibre in a store, I would have to physically move to a location that offers that. I don't expect it to come around to my town of 11k within the next 20 years.

And sure you don't have unskippable commercials in movie streams, yet. My tv on demand provider has them for the 'free' content conveniently locking out fastforward for those programs. Once it becomes mainstream you will see the commercials appear with movies as well. My biggest problem with stream atm is that you don't have a choice of soundtracks including lossless sound and no extras.

Well, I don't know if Google will ever go to your town.  But someone else will - and because fibre, once it is down, is so much easier to upgrade and less prone to interference, you could have might much higher bandwidths that you have today.  The pressure from Google with force Verizion, Comcast, Time Warner, ATT and others to improve their services and expand or get rid of caps.  (Data caps are just a way for them to make money.)

As far as commercials.  We have them already on many services: Hulu Plus and Crackle, have commercials while Zune, Amazon Video, and Netflix all do not - and you can fast-forward, rewind, skip head to your heart's desire.  Even Netflix has 5.1 surround now, and Zune always did at 1080P (if you have enough data speed.) You often can get Some extras, but yes, that is sometimes and advantage of a disc.

   My buddy can come over - we log into his account, and we can watch from his entire purchased library.  Nothing to carry, nothing to break or get scratched.  It is super convenient.

Please. It works in your head. But that isn't how it works in the real world. Time Warner has a monoploy in Brooklyn, NY. Barley ever improves their service. They block all other companies to installing their service lines in my area. By the time NYC can even pay, and install fiber optics. I'll be a old man.



Zappykins said:

Well, I don't know if Google will ever go to your town.  But someone else will - and because fibre, once it is down, is so much easier to upgrade and less prone to interference, you could have might much higher bandwidths that you have today.  The pressure from Google with force Verizion, Comcast, Time Warner, ATT and others to improve their services and expand or get rid of caps.  (Data caps are just a way for them to make money.)

As far as commercials.  We have them already on many services: Hulu Plus and Crackle, have commercials while Zune, Amazon Video, and Netflix all do not - and you can fast-forward, rewind, skip head to your heart's desire.  Even Netflix has 5.1 surround now, and Zune always did at 1080P (if you have enough data speed.) You often can get Some extras, but yes, that is sometimes and advantage of a disc.

   My buddy can come over - we log into his account, and we can watch from his entire purchased library.  Nothing to carry, nothing to break or get scratched.  It is super convenient.

Same as Archer said, the cable company has a firm hold over their own cable and are not willing to share unless the government jumps in. The streets have to be dug up for fibre, it's estimated at 12 to 14 billion dollars to do this for the whole of Ontario. Fibre penetration atm is just 2%. By the time it becomes commercially viable for a private company to bring fibre out here I'll have grand children.

Netflix is probably better in the states but here 5.1 (at heavily compressed DD) is a rarity. So are HD versions and even those only run at 5mbps at max. Only Zune offers 10-12gb downloads for some movies, still only 10mbps. In comparison a lossless DTS-HD MA sountrack already uses 5mbps on blu-ray, Akira's supurb lossless compressed soundtrack runs at 16mbps. Video can go up to 48mbps in bursts for action scenes. As a videophile digital downloads don't do it for me. I'll gladly sit for a minute to skip through commercials and wait for the mandatory screens to get the best version possible.
I don't expect quality to go up soon either. It's more likely to go down first as streaming becomes more popular. Same as with HDTV service, it started with crispy 1080p at 16-18mbps. Now we have 5 times as many hd channels, but 8-9mbps is considered high end and most channels operate at 3-4mbps to cram more through the same pipe. Without slow motion replays the Olympics would look better on analog over the air broadcast.

And you still can't lend your movies to your friends, unless you give them your login password. Plus they need a good internet connection and the correct equipment or app installed. Same problem as with blu-ray really.

In the end I still prefer a physical product over access to a server. Even if I had google fibre internet with full access to actual blu-ray masters I would still be buying blu-ray disks and looking forward to the possibility of movies released on HVD in the future.
I'll cave in when digital downloads exceed the quality of physical media. Fibre with access to the 500mbps 4K cinema version, yum.



Digital Downloads will fail badly in countries that place a cap on downloads like Australia.

I'm not Australian but I have friends in Australia. I think they have a cap of something like 10 gigs of data a month or something depending on what plan they are subscribed to.

If say Final Fantasy 16 comes out and its 100 gigs, they'd take 10 months to download that game.



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Standards are changing all the time - and data-caps will be increased, dramatically, unless the providers can control their monopoly. (They are trying really hard to do that - which is why we need to support Net Neutrality.) Even the quality from 2 years ago has been dramatically improved. Imagine what will be in another 5 or so.

One of my buddies just announced yesterday that they upgraded their connection and now he gets 40 megabytes per second down. He was saying that it did help him a bit on Battlefield 3.

Y'all are making me sad with your slow connections. I do hope those of you stuck with lousy net speeds get some upgrades soon!

Here is an interesting chart of Internet Speeds. South Korea - usually first for years, is now 3rd. And the USA usually ranks around 18th, but on this list is 30th!

http://netindex.com/

How do you rank with your county? (I am above average at 16.89 vs 11.18.)



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

Tell me a funny joke!

Zappykins said:
Standards are changing all the time - and data-caps will be increased, dramatically, unless the providers can control their monopoly. (They are trying really hard to do that - which is why we need to support Net Neutrality.) Even the quality from 2 years ago has been dramatically improved. Imagine what will be in another 5 or so.

One of my buddies just announced yesterday that they upgraded their connection and now he gets 40 megabytes per second down. He was saying that it did help him a bit on Battlefield 3.

Y'all are making me sad with your slow connections. I do hope those of you stuck with lousy net speeds get some upgrades soon!

Here is an interesting chart of Internet Speeds. South Korea - usually first for years, is now 3rd. And the USA usually ranks around 18th, but on this list is 30th!

http://netindex.com/

How do you rank with your county? (I am above average at 16.89 vs 11.18.)

Unfortunately standards aren't always changing for the better. My internet was the fastest when I just got it and no caps. Then the rest of the neighbourhood caught on and it starting to drag during primetime. Then my internet provider introduced data caps.
Sure they have been working on making it faster and more stable but the data caps are still the same.

Canada is 32nd on that list. I get 10mbps at max from the average of 13.62.
I just checked speedtest.net, atm it gives me 1.19mbps down and 0.49mbps up (promised 10mbps down 0.5mbps up)
A different server gives me 2.68mbps down, same up. It all depends on the rest of the path, only some Steam downloads give me the full 10mbps.

It sucks having no competition to speak of. It leaves too much room open for shady deals. "Hey you can have 18mbps and 20gb extra a month if you opt into a contract and rent a modem for $7 a month (on top of $50 a month)" Wtf does my modem have to do with a data cap.
And when I bought this modem from my isp 5 years ago they said it could go upto 50mbps (their fastest plan at the time for $100 a month)