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ethomaz on 27 July 2012
Mr Puggsly said:
iBlah said:


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Actually, this list doesn't mention Windows 2000.

For those who don't remember. People actually hated Windows XP early on. Because it had very high requirements (for the time) and was basically the same as Windows 2000.

Windows Vista wasn't so bad either. If you actually had a machine designed for Vista and a dual core processor. I'm guessing most people didn't have dual core processors when Vista launched and that was part of the problem.

Because the image just listed the home windows and not the coorporate one.

Home: 3.1, 95, 98, Me, XP Home, Vista Home, Seven Home.
Cooporate: NT 3.1, NT 4.0, 2000, XP Pro, Server 2003, Vista Business, Server 2008, Seven Pro/Business.

Just after XP the two worlds merged (XP Home/Pro is a updade for ME and/or 2000).



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zarx on 27 July 2012
theprof00 said:
@fusioncode
gabe wasnt talking shit about ps3, heres the background on it.
early in the gen xbox had convinced numerous developers to help 360 succeed against ps3 because it would benefit everyone to have more competition. And rightly so, devs can now expect near identical sales on both platforms with little associated costs.
Unfortunately devs didnt realize how muchthis would hurt sony and how muc ms would capitalize off of it tothe point where the company faced serious financial difficulty. This is one of the reasons why sony has snapped up so many devs this gen. Devs cannot be trusted.
add to that that xboxs strategy is to take the living room and tie it to the computer room. Look at their games for windows and the spread of live marketplace. Ms has become a threat to the pc marketplace where a lot of these devs release their own games.
long story short, devs assisted in weakening ps3, and by that introduced themselves to amuch bigger competitor. People like gabe understand this and so now are focussing on helping sony fightms.


No this is what happened 

MS pushed DX like APIs into the console space and threw billions into marketing and launched first with the 360. As a lot of early Valve people including Gabe are ex MS employees they jumped onto the lucritive 360 train and made a lot of money. MS also had the best online system with XBL so it was a good fit for Left 4 Dead. 

Sony launched a Console with poor documentation, a bloated OS, a unique architecture that was a nightmare to develop for and late with expensive Blu-Ray discs. After EA's port of the Orange box was so bad Valve didn't let them port any more games over. And no one wanted to do it at Valve.

Then Valve hired a bunch of ex Sony santamonica and Naughtydog employees who opened a line of communication with Sony and gave Valve people that wanted to support Sony. By this time Gabe was fed up with MS's refusal to open up XBL and the restrictions were hurting Valve's games on the platform (Team Fortress 2). Sony offered to give Valve complete control on PS3/PSN for patches, match making, online system etc. So Gabe started to see Sony as the more welcoming partner and saw it as an opertunity to try and get MS to open up XBL by partnering with their biggest competitor in the console space. 

Now MS is going in a direction that Gabe and co doesn't like with Windows and has decided to throw their hat in with their competitors with Mac and now Linux support for Steam and Valve games. 



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Mr Puggsly on 27 July 2012
ethomaz said:
Mr Puggsly said:
iBlah said:


?


Actually, this list doesn't mention Windows 2000.

For those who don't remember. People actually hated Windows XP early on. Because it had very high requirements (for the time) and was basically the same as Windows 2000.

Windows Vista wasn't so bad either. If you actually had a machine designed for Vista and a dual core processor. I'm guessing most people didn't have dual core processors when Vista launched and that was part of the problem.

Because the image just listed the home windows and not the coorporate one.

Home: 3.1, 95, 98, Me, XP Home, Vista Home, Seven Home.
Cooporate: NT 3.1, NT 4.0, 2000, XP Pro, Server 2003, Vista Business, Server 2008, Seven Pro/Business.

Just after XP the two worlds merged (XP Home/Pro is a updade for ME and/or 2000).

Ah, I thought it had a home version.



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Squilliam on 27 July 2012
Kantor said:
Squilliam said:
It's a lose/lose for Valve.

Either it is successful and the Microsoft universal app store takes off or it is unsuccessful and their userbase could decline.


It's a catappstrophe.

I don't agree. If the app store is bad, and as a result windows 8 is bad, people will stay on Windows 7 like they stayed on XP after vista came out. Windows 7 runs steam just fine, and even if Apple and Linux gain market share, steam is available on both. 

And even if the Microsoft app store takes off, it's a very different business from steam. So, it's really a win win for Valve.

Also something about kantie panties.

It really depends I guess. Microsoft knows they can keep selling Windows 7 and they can even create two separate UIs for Windows 9 going forward if they wish. However given the fact that the store is there by default it could prove quite a challenged, like how IE is there even though the other browsers are urguably better they had to work significantly harder for market share.

Any store selling digital kantie panties would obviously be the winner. However we wouldn't make it big enough for fatass Gabe to cross-dress in so Valve probably won't support the product and Microsft has always been more about the strap-ons anyway.



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AndrewWK on 27 July 2012

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Mummelmann on 27 July 2012
Mr Puggsly said:
iBlah said:


?


Actually, this list doesn't mention Windows 2000.

For those who don't remember. People actually hated Windows XP early on. Because it had very high requirements (for the time) and was basically the same as Windows 2000.

Windows Vista wasn't so bad either. If you actually had a machine designed for Vista and a dual core processor. I'm guessing most people didn't have dual core processors when Vista launched and that was part of the problem.

Another part of the problem was that Vista was supposed to be the first "true gaming Windows" but had issues with a lot of GPU drivers and ate all the RAM you needed for games with its shitty memory consumption rates.

For a gamer, Vista was a nightmare.



Christhor on 27 July 2012

As much as I think Windows 8 will be shit, which I do think, Gabe Newell's opinion isn't one to be trusted in these situations. While his company does excellent things, he does seem like a moody manchild at times.



theprof00 on 27 July 2012
zarx said:
theprof00 said:
@fusioncode
gabe wasnt talking shit about ps3, heres the background on it.
early in the gen xbox had convinced numerous developers to help 360 succeed against ps3 because it would benefit everyone to have more competition. And rightly so, devs can now expect near identical sales on both platforms with little associated costs.
Unfortunately devs didnt realize how muchthis would hurt sony and how muc ms would capitalize off of it tothe point where the company faced serious financial difficulty. This is one of the reasons why sony has snapped up so many devs this gen. Devs cannot be trusted.
add to that that xboxs strategy is to take the living room and tie it to the computer room. Look at their games for windows and the spread of live marketplace. Ms has become a threat to the pc marketplace where a lot of these devs release their own games.
long story short, devs assisted in weakening ps3, and by that introduced themselves to amuch bigger competitor. People like gabe understand this and so now are focussing on helping sony fightms.


No this is what happened 

MS pushed DX like APIs into the console space and threw billions into marketing and launched first with the 360. As a lot of early Valve people including Gabe are ex MS employees they jumped onto the lucritive 360 train and made a lot of money. MS also had the best online system with XBL so it was a good fit for Left 4 Dead. 

Sony launched a Console with poor documentation, a bloated OS, a unique architecture that was a nightmare to develop for and late with expensive Blu-Ray discs. After EA's port of the Orange box was so bad Valve didn't let them port any more games over. And no one wanted to do it at Valve.

Then Valve hired a bunch of ex Sony santamonica and Naughtydog employees who opened a line of communication with Sony and gave Valve people that wanted to support Sony. By this time Gabe was fed up with MS's refusal to open up XBL and the restrictions were hurting Valve's games on the platform (Team Fortress 2). Sony offered to give Valve complete control on PS3/PSN for patches, match making, online system etc. So Gabe started to see Sony as the more welcoming partner and saw it as an opertunity to try and get MS to open up XBL by partnering with their biggest competitor in the console space. 

Now MS is going in a direction that Gabe and co doesn't like with Windows and has decided to throw their hat in with their competitors with Mac and now Linux support for Steam and Valve games. 

Perhaps this is how it worked with valve, but it was an industry thing entirely, not just them.



zarx on 27 July 2012

Blizzard also hates Win 8

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/360383/blizzard-exec-echoes-windows-8-catastrophe-comments/



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TruckOSaurus on 27 July 2012
Mr Puggsly said:
iBlah said:


?


Actually, this list doesn't mention Windows 2000.

For those who don't remember. People actually hated Windows XP early on. Because it had very high requirements (for the time) and was basically the same as Windows 2000.

Windows Vista wasn't so bad either. If you actually had a machine designed for Vista and a dual core processor. I'm guessing most people didn't have dual core processors when Vista launched and that was part of the problem.

The main complaint I heard about Vista was that it popped alert prompts for everything you did.



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