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Chark said:
BHR-3 said:
Chark said:
BHR-3 said:
europe ps3 phats never had emotion engine and played ps2 games just not as many or as good as emotion engine equipped ps3s 

First I've ever heard of that.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/mar/01/sonyplaystation.sony

 

OT will probably buy it i like the look much better than the current slim, im gonna miss the slot loading and led lights my 2501 has, but it better at least have wireless N

So how big is that emulation list? And if that's true shouldn't the current PS3 models be allowed the codes to allow for this limited emulation?


http://www.ps3comp.com/view.asp?flt=0-9&console=ps2

 

current ps3 could do this but do you think sony would choose to do this and potentially loose $ on ps2 games that release on psn and $ on ps2 HW

 

ps2 games are best on a ps2 even with the EE in the ps3s they still had some issues with certain games

 

if you have a ps2 slim keep it doesnt take up much space anyway, the only other benefit besides having all in one with a BC PS3 is the wireless controller i found it weird when i sometimes go back and play games on my older consoles that have wired controller



                                                             

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BHR-3 said:

http://www.ps3comp.com/view.asp?flt=0-9&console=ps2

 

current ps3 could do this but do you think sony would choose to do this and potentially loose $ on ps2 games that release on psn and $ on ps2 HW

 

ps2 games are best on a ps2 even with the EE in the ps3s they still had some issues with certain games

 

if you have a ps2 slim keep it doesnt take up much space anyway, the only other benefit besides having all in one with a BC PS3 is the wireless controller i found it weird when i sometimes go back and play games on my older consoles that have wired controller

I'd agree that they'd be loosing money on PS2 games on PSN but since there are only a handful and only recently that isn't very sound. Even if BC was the norm again, PSN could serve as a storefront for hard to find used PS2 games. As for $ on PS2 hardware, that console is very saturated and there is a sales advantage for people owning a PS3 over a PS2 since used games control the PS2 software market, at least if they bought a PS3, even to play PS2 games, they'd still be able to buy an occassional PS3 game new. I'd say Sony would benefit from users ditching their PS2s for a PS3 that plays their old games, one of the original "big deals" of backwards compatibility and why so many people bought PS2s when they launched.

I'd say, put in BC again if the price is right. It will help further sensationalise this new model. The more coverage they get the better as the years start winding down to PS4(2014).



Before the PS3 everyone was nice to me :(

Troll_Whisperer said:
Willard said:
WHY THE HECK THE PHOTO I POSTED TURNED ON A DICK GIF?!
OH MY GOD IVE BEEN HERE FOR ALMOST 4 YEARS! GOD DAMN IT WEBSITE THAT TURN LINKED PHOTOS ON DICKS GIF!

I HATE MYSELF SO MUCH NOW!
(And will probably get banned again)

Relax. You're not permabanned, only banned until the 17th. You'll be back in a couple of days.

This was hilarious though. XD

 

But it sucks people can't see the OP now.

lol...  That happened to me once... well, at least it got changed to a female...  When you take the image address from a search engine, take the direct address of the image, not the search result, because it will change over-time...

At least when it happened to me, I was immediately unbanned, because the admin had previously seen the picture before it changed (thank goodness) and knew it was an accident.

Anyway... Totally buying a second PS3 next year.



M.U.G.E.N said:
well they never called the revision as ps3 slim officially iirc..so this is their actual slim

not a fan of the top..but the rumors are they even have a 16GB version. Pricing could be very interesting..and the timing of the release (wiiU launch period?)


Will you combine the opening post with this one, so we can see the main topic... and, maybe update it too?



Jay520 said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
well they never called the revision as ps3 slim officially iirc..so this is their actual slim

not a fan of the top..but the rumors are they even have a 16GB version. Pricing could be very interesting..and the timing of the release (wiiU launch period?)


MUGEN, you should put the OPs info in your post since the OP is banned.

And also @Burning Typhoon. Sorry about the delay..just got home. Updated my post with all the info in the OP :)



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I actually like the design. Maybe it will look better in reality.



BHR-3 said:
Chark said:
withdreday said:

If you jailbrake a non-bc PS3, you can make it play PS2 games. So it can be done through the firmware. They just don't want to.


First I've ever heard of that. Are you sure that's not through using an emulator?

europe ps3 phats never had emotion engine and played ps2 games just not as many or as good as emotion engine equipped ps3s

yes... because they still had the PS2 graphics chip, the GS (graphics synthesizer) on board - while that graphics chip is weak it's hard to emulate for the PS3, because it has RAM on die, which means it's gpu RAM bandwith is much higher than the PS3s

the games that made use of this bandwith will be extremely difficult to emulate accurately without changing their initial code, which would mean to actually have special emulators for single games

still Sony made sure some PS2 games run on every PS3, the singstar games for example, the PS2 parts even run on non-BC PS3s



Chark said:
BHR-3 said:
Chark said:
BHR-3 said:
europe ps3 phats never had emotion engine and played ps2 games just not as many or as good as emotion engine equipped ps3s 

First I've ever heard of that.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/mar/01/sonyplaystation.sony

 

OT will probably buy it i like the look much better than the current slim, im gonna miss the slot loading and led lights my 2501 has, but it better at least have wireless N

So how big is that emulation list? And if that's true shouldn't the current PS3 models be allowed the codes to allow for this limited emulation?

The original PS3s had two chips to enable 100% backwards compatability - the EE and GS.

When they launched in Europe, they killed one of the chips (forget which one) and just used an emulator for that chip. I think, using the combination of the chip and the emulator, they were able to get around 80-90% of titles running, though some had issues (I remember Ratchet and Clank games played, but suffered major slow down at times).

Later, they killed the second chip (with the PS3 slim), and didn't bother trying to write an emulator for it. Market research showed that consumers didn't care enough to warrant the costs to create an emulator (due to the massive differences in architecture, the process would have been long and difficult), so they killed emulation entirely.

They've since have had massive success with porting the "best" PS2 games over to PS3 with added features/improved assets... basically, they've become the George Lucas of the gaming world. As such, it seems unlikely that they'll ever fully implement PS3 b/c, as it cuts a significant revenue stream for them.

All PS3s with both chips are still 100% B/C. The PS3s with 1 chip are still 80%ish B/C, but Sony has ceased work on the emulation of the first chip (when they first launched the one-chip + emu combo, the B/C was significantly lower than when they started, and through firmware upgrades (which included newer versions of the emulator), they slowly increased B/C to its level between the Euro launch, and the announcement of the Slim).



SamuelRSmith said:

Later, they killed the second chip (with the PS3 slim), and didn't bother trying to write an emulator for it. Market research showed that consumers didn't care enough to warrant the costs to create an emulator (due to the massive differences in architecture, the process would have been long and difficult), so they killed emulation entirely.

Your post is accurate in large parts, but this one is not. They excluded all PS2 hardware starting with the 40GB Fat PS3, two years before the first "slim" - the EU 60GB and the MGS4 80GB edition still had the GS.



SamuelRSmith said:
Chark said:
BHR-3 said:
Chark said:
BHR-3 said:
europe ps3 phats never had emotion engine and played ps2 games just not as many or as good as emotion engine equipped ps3s 

First I've ever heard of that.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/mar/01/sonyplaystation.sony

 

OT will probably buy it i like the look much better than the current slim, im gonna miss the slot loading and led lights my 2501 has, but it better at least have wireless N

So how big is that emulation list? And if that's true shouldn't the current PS3 models be allowed the codes to allow for this limited emulation?

The original PS3s had two chips to enable 100% backwards compatability - the EE and GS.

When they launched in Europe, they killed one of the chips (forget which one) and just used an emulator for that chip. I think, using the combination of the chip and the emulator, they were able to get around 80-90% of titles running, though some had issues (I remember Ratchet and Clank games played, but suffered major slow down at times).

Later, they killed the second chip (with the PS3 slim), and didn't bother trying to write an emulator for it. Market research showed that consumers didn't care enough to warrant the costs to create an emulator (due to the massive differences in architecture, the process would have been long and difficult), so they killed emulation entirely.

They've since have had massive success with porting the "best" PS2 games over to PS3 with added features/improved assets... basically, they've become the George Lucas of the gaming world. As such, it seems unlikely that they'll ever fully implement PS3 b/c, as it cuts a significant revenue stream for them.

All PS3s with both chips are still 100% B/C. The PS3s with 1 chip are still 80%ish B/C, but Sony has ceased work on the emulation of the first chip (when they first launched the one-chip + emu combo, the B/C was significantly lower than when they started, and through firmware upgrades (which included newer versions of the emulator), they slowly increased B/C to its level between the Euro launch, and the announcement of the Slim).


You do know there are PS2 games on the PSN store that are exact copies of the original ones and are emulated, right?