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thranx on 15 July 2012
Persistantthug said:
Argh_College said:
Persistantthug said:
Argh_College said:
Nem said:

This sounds like the perfect solution...

Microsoft turns studios to crap, activision is a milking company with nothing but CoD... yeah i can see us getting rid of this CoD sillyness soon enough. Do it Microsoft, the market can only get better without another shallow and greedy publisher. I wonder if blizzard will go down the drain aswell or microsoft is gonna let them be... amusing times.

Next dont miss it: Blizzard doing kinect games and avatars! LOL

Lol i see someone mad.

Turn 10, Bungie, 343i, LionHead - how were this studios turned to crap if they are making great games over the years ? Also Epic and Remedy wich are partners with Microsoft.

Lol you are a joke kid.

Talking about this well i see this being done by Microsoft so they get Bungie game/ cods exclusives for next gen aswell blizzard amazing games.


Microsoft is an incompetent game studio manager.....perhaps the worst ever.

 

ENSEMBLE, ACES, DIGITAL ANVIL, FASA.....all good studios killed because of Microsoft.

Then look at RARE.....just a pitiful shadow of it's former self.

Bungie....they got smart and got the hell away from Microsoft before it was too late.

Microsoft is incompetent......no one can deny this.

Activision would do wise to run, not walk, away from any parts of a Microsoft acquisition.

 

errr. Sony also closed a shitload of studios, insomniac run away from them etc... and they still a good manager.

Try Harder.

 

Insomniac was never a first party studio.....they just chose to make Playstation games.

Sorry for your confusion.

 

Also, when you see NAUGHTY DOG begging and/or buying their way to get away from Sony.......Make sure you PM me.

 

Until then, Microsoft is on an incompetent island all unto itself.

Don't ms exclusives as a whole outsell the ps3 exclusives as a whole?



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Aielyn on 15 July 2012
Kynes said:
Kresnik said:
Yeah, I can link unsourced stuff too.  If Sony lost $1.2 billion in 2011 then that's where I've gone wrong, sure.  Going back to 2007-esque losses though is a big step and I'm not quite sure how they could have achieved that.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=480181

 

SCE lost in FY2011 94.7 billion yen, and that is 1.2 billion US$. So SCE has lost in this generation all the money they earned in PS1 and PS2 generations, and that's not a misconception.

Wait... so Sony literally lost exactly the right amount to come out pretty much right on zero? That's incredible... I just don't know whether it's incredible as in amazing, or incredible as in not credible. The obvious question is, are the numbers all translated to USD using the same conversion rate? Otherwise, it's possible that the numbers are out, because Sony would record their income in yen, not USD (and thus, changes in exchange rate would be incorporated into any non-yen investments' net inflow or outflow of money).

Kresnik - I can very much see how they could have achieved that - PS Vita launch (with associated losses) + "PS4" development costs.



Kresnik on 15 July 2012
Kynes said:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=480181

 

SCE lost in FY2011 94.7 billion yen, and that is 1.2 billion US$. So SCE has lost in this generation all the money they earned in PS1 and PS2 generations, and that's not a misconception.


Well isn't that quite something, exactly $1.2 billion loss, putting them almost exactly even!

I'd have preferred a more official source than a neogaf thread, but regardless, if I'm wrong I'm wrong, so there you go!  Learn something new every day :>



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Kresnik on 15 July 2012
Aielyn said:

Kresnik - I can very much see how they could have achieved that - PS Vita launch (with associated losses) + "PS4" development costs.


Yeah, when I came back to think about it I could have seen losses for 2011.  I mean, PS4 R&D sure, possibly some late Vita stuff too.  But aside from that, didn't the Japanese Earthquake & Tsunami have a big effect on Sony's operations too?  I'm not sure this would have factored into the cost, but just something to think about.

$1.2 billion is a lot though.  It's more than they lost - as I was suggesting - during the second year of PS3 when it was losing them a staggering amount of money.  Oh well.



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spaceguy on 15 July 2012

I say buy something different with the money. Do not think this is a good buy at the time.



Argh_College on 15 July 2012

10b is alot



Kynes on 16 July 2012
Kresnik said:
Aielyn said:

Kresnik - I can very much see how they could have achieved that - PS Vita launch (with associated losses) + "PS4" development costs.


Yeah, when I came back to think about it I could have seen losses for 2011.  I mean, PS4 R&D sure, possibly some late Vita stuff too.  But aside from that, didn't the Japanese Earthquake & Tsunami have a big effect on Sony's operations too?  I'm not sure this would have factored into the cost, but just something to think about.

$1.2 billion is a lot though.  It's more than they lost - as I was suggesting - during the second year of PS3 when it was losing them a staggering amount of money.  Oh well.

And we aren't taking into consideration the PS1 R&D, I'm sure that the PS1 project started before FY1995, but it isn't included in your numbers. That's why I say SCE has lost money in it's entire timeframe.



Persistantthug on 16 July 2012
zero129 said:
Persistantthug said:
zero129 said:
Persistantthug said:

 

Insomniac was never a first party studio.....they just chose to make Playstation games.

Sorry for your confusion.

 

Also, when you see NAUGHTY DOG begging and/or buying their way to get away from Sony.......Make sure you PM me.

 

Until then, Microsoft is on an incompetent island all unto itself.

Didnt the Playstation 3 lose Sony all the money they made from the Ps1 and 2??. Id say if MS is an incompetent game studio Sony is an incompetent console maker.. (Btw guys this is in no way how "I" feel about Sony and i love my PS3, but im just showing how something can be twisted)

 

Your assertion isn't factual nor is it reasonable.

1.  Who told you Sony lost all the money they made from the Ps1 and 2?  Can you give a link to that?   I'm sure I already know the answer.

2.  Yes, Sony did have heavy expenditures......for BLURAY.

Sony came into this knowing they were gonna lose a few BILLION on the PS3 because of adding BluRay.  Which means, Sony lost the money on purpose...........for a purpose. 

Obviously Sony does way more than just sell video games.   Now, was it all worth it?  You'd have to ask Sony, but it's a safe bet to say that the jury is still out on it, so your assertion is rendered moot.

But for Sony, having to to "lose billions", in this particular case, and is the case in many business situations......it's simply the cost of doing business.

 

 

Microsoft's situation is clear.....they are an incompetent dev studio manager.  It's clear as day.

You say that yet you cant see how you your self have done the very same thing -_- .

1. Well to be fair its their whole company thats losing Money. But i remember reading an article awhile back that Sony lost all profits made from the PS1 and 2, but funny enough i cant seem to find it now :-/ .

2. Heavy expenditures and bad management together had alot got to do with it.

Doesnt change the fact that Sony is bleeding money so just like you i could call them an incompetent company for making mistake after mistake all this gen, lets just hope kaz can get things back on track hey?..

But what your saying is also half truths and made up lies to fit your bill. can you show me where Bungie was begging to get away from MS??, and if they wanted to get away so bad why did they offer MS exclusive first choice for any games they make?.


I wanted to respond, but I got a little tied up...

Your sentiment that Sony as a company is correct....they have been egregiously incompetent on several fronts.....I would never argue with that.

However, that still doesn't change Microsoft's status as being an incompetent dev studio manager.

 

If you like.........both are true

But in the context of this topic, what's at issue is Microsoft's incompetence......not Sony's Television and "etc" incompetence.



spaceguy on 17 July 2012
Argh_College said:
10b is alot



They can just give me 1 tenth of 1% of that and I would be sh-tting out money for the rest of my life. Sh-t just give me 1 tenth of 1 tenth of  1 tenth of 1 % ( or 1 thousandth of 1%) and I would be happy. In this ecconomy thats still a nice house bought and paid for.  So yea that is a sh-t load of money!!!