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happydolphin on 11 July 2012
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
Well, I remember a documentary that I watched a couple of years ago where a guy became famous for discovering the graves of many biblical characters (I won't bother checking for their English names :), but he then much, much later turned out to be a fraud. Apparently, he had created all of his findings and treated them with some weird fluids that made them appear thousands of years old.

I'm not saying that the same thing has happened here, just that you need to be very careful with findings with supposed biblical connections.

Appreciated. The same can be said about other viewpoints and disciplines regarding the past. It's kind of like a crime scene, taking hints here and there, nothing stops a malvolent person from either fabricating the past or distorting it.

But I think this is pretty shared knowledge -> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/06/120621-fossils-turtles-mating-joyce-biology-letters-science/



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Porcupine_I on 11 July 2012

ooohhh, of course, suddenly science is appreaciated!



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

happydolphin on 11 July 2012
Porcupine_I said:
ooohhh, of course, suddenly science is appreaciated!

Huh?



Panama on 11 July 2012

Look what Jesus did! Look what Jesus did! Look what Jesus did!



happydolphin on 11 July 2012
Panama said:
Look what Jesus did! Look what Jesus did! Look what Jesus did!

? Can't you guys contribute anything to the topic?



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Lastgengamer on 11 July 2012

Maybe the male turtle was a necrophiliac, then he suddenly had a heart attack and as a result became fossilized:)



Porcupine_I on 11 July 2012
happydolphin said:
Porcupine_I said:
ooohhh, of course, suddenly science is appreaciated!

Huh?

isn't it obvious? Finding fossils is scientific research, wich usually is opposed by people who find all their answers in a single book.

but if there is a possibility it supports their cause they suddenly drop all their resentments and embrace it without questioning it.

 



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

happydolphin on 12 July 2012
Porcupine_I said:

isn't it obvious? Finding fossils is scientific research, wich usually is opposed by people who find all their answers in a single book.

but if there is a possibility it supports their cause they suddenly drop all their resentments and embrace it without questioning it.

I think it's important to look at all scientific data though, so that's why it isn't obvious for me what you're saying.



Porcupine_I on 12 July 2012
happydolphin said:
Porcupine_I said:

isn't it obvious? Finding fossils is scientific research, wich usually is opposed by people who find all their answers in a single book.

but if there is a possibility it supports their cause they suddenly drop all their resentments and embrace it without questioning it.

I think it's important to look at all scientific data though, so that's why it isn't obvious for me what you're saying.

but that's the point! they need to look at all scentific data and not pick out a event that might support their cause in some arbitrary way.

killed instantly by the biblical flood? how is that supposed to work? it's not like turtles are afraid of water or would drown instantly even while mating. i know they are slow animals but that slow that raising waters through a long rain would drown them while mating? that doesn't make sense to me. even if it was explained with a instant floodwave, would they have stuck together like this while being washed away? and all of them washed to the same spot?

anyway, for example: 25 years ago, 1700 people and 3500 livestsock, and maybe even some turtles instantly suffocated at lake nyos when a sudden CO² cloud was realesed. knowing that such things can happen even today tells me that they have not even considered to look at other solutions for the dead mating turteles, but just jumped to their own ridiculous conclusion.



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

happydolphin on 12 July 2012
Porcupine_I said:

but that's the point! they need to look at all scentific data and not pick out a event that might support their cause in some arbitrary way.

I won't argue this because I need to follow my own OP here. We could continue this on my wall if you like.

killed instantly by the biblical flood? how is that supposed to work? it's not like turtles are afraid of water or would drown instantly even while mating.

That's the fascinating part of the find, is that they were alive (mating) when they were fossilized, and the fossil actually preserved their position when the fossilisation happened. This leads to two ideas:

1) The fossilization was quick.

2) The fossilization didn't require them to slowly die as is the usual case.

 i know they are slow animals but that slow that raising waters through a long rain would drown them while mating? that doesn't make sense to me. even if it was explained with a instant floodwave, would they have stuck together like this while being washed away? and all of them washed to the same spot?

That's the thing. The flood is more than just water. It is volcanic and seismic activity (the bible talks about the earth burst open like floodgates), and it's high-pressure + all kinds of mud and earth mixed together. In some areas of the globe, that would involve areas being quickly buried through catastrophic physics (like those seen in volcano eruptions: high pressure, steam, volcanic deposits).

So, it's water accumulating in some cases, in others its almost like covering creatures in cement.

anyway, for example: 25 years ago, 1700 people and 3500 livestsock, and maybe even some turtles instantly suffocated at lake nyos when a sudden CO² cloud was realesed. knowing that such things can happen even today tells me that they have not even considered to look at other solutions for the dead mating turteles, but just jumped to their own ridiculous conclusion.

No, it's just the beginning. Also the scientific article I provided seemed to assert that the posioned lake was the factual account when the creation article or the natgeo article (can't remember which) mentioned issues with the poisoned lake hypothesis. I'm just saying that in all ends of the issue that attitude exists, try not to see it so one-ended.