I don't expect as much success for the WiiU as you do. Wii was a phenomenon, and to an incredible extent to the motion aspect of it. You should know how many articles were written about how responsible it was to buy your children games that make them be active, you should know how many times were shown videos of elderly people enjoying the Wii Sports stuff. This time around they are trying to appeal to the touch-screen generation and that is not the same thing that the above consumers were/are looking for, if they are even looking for something nowadays.

I can't tell you that the WiiU won't be the leader of the console market next gen, but I am pretty sure it won't be as successful as the Wii was.

The handleheld market is one thing, the console market other. There is no question of Nintendo's dominace there, and I attribute it largely to their recognizable franchises and to the non-violent nature of their games (I call them childish, yeah, I said it once again) and this makes them the best choice for parents as a purchase for back-seat-pacifiers.

Mario was there for the 64, as it was for the GameCube. I would like to know how many people are willing to buy the WiiU for Mario this time. It would seem that Nintendo's fans have grown since the arrival of the Wii, I want to see how many of those are really loyal and will continue with them. This next month/years will be interesting.

Last time I paid attention to survey's I ended up paying five bucks to a friend for betting against the losing governor of my country in a survey. That's how much I rely on survey's. Wait for the real thing. I am not afraid of admitting that I am wrong, if it comes down to that, but if Nintendo does see themselves not enjoying the same success as with the Wii and we see that the same people that were with them are not buying their console this generation, I would like to see if Nintendo fanboys recognize how Wii's success and therefore Nintendo's laid behind a casual consumer sector which backfired at them in the end.

just because someone has a different opinion or perspective than you does not mean that their brain isn't working properly or that they have limited mental capacity

just like you have the right to prefer nintendo others have the right to prefer microsoft or sony

When I confront Nintendo haters in real life, they seem pretty pathetic accusing Nintendo. Someone said that Sony is obviously going to beat Nintendo because they have blu-ray. Another person said that Sony wins because the PS3 has the cell processor which is an equivalent to an 8 core processor.

Blu-ray has many problems and high density DVD's are becoming better than blu-ray's. There's also the fact that each of those cores in the PS3 are relatively weak compared to the normal core and a modern dualcore can easily out perform the PS3's processor.

In real life, when you say these things to them, they deny any solid proof you have that they are wrong. However, in real life, Nintendo haters cannot deny the success Nintendo has at making games that appeal to a much broader audience and don't bash them for it like people online do. There also a lot more people who don't classify their gaming as Nintendo, Sony, or Microsoft but rather the as the specific games themselves.

It's not about preferring though. It's about hating.

Again, your ability to misread what people write.

was that reply meant for me?

It was meant in reply to being tired of the Nintendo hate in general, no one specifically was being targeted.

@bold. I told you though that I understand that issue. I know about it. My hope was resting on the prospect of seeing Nintendo's portable success translate to their home console business.

As for fans growing. As much as fans are growing, new people are being born and becoming able to play games. Nintendo has a cycle it can always count on because its games appeal to a younger demographic.

Regarding Mario, you can be certain that NSMBU will sell alot, it's almost a sure sale.

@poll. Yeah, I know what you mean.

Other than that, a very fair post, you're surprising me.

he refers to people putting nintendo down and i can only assume he means people who had negative reactions to the press conference and the wii u and as i said not everyone likes the console or believes it has a strong line up at the moment... that doesn't mean that they have mental issues it only means they have a different opinion

Okay, I understand why you were confused. We had gotten on a side-topic of Nintendo hate which had a little but not as much to do with OP.

Of course you're right about preference having no link to mental issues. It's only when preference causes a person to fall into pissing contests and bashing the pleasures and desires of others that there is a case for illness.

Feel free to be skeptical of the Wii U, but don't make absurd statements like the one I've just quoted.

Nintendo isn't saying that the Wii U will succeed because of the Wii. They're saying that talk about the Wii U as not being like the Wii because of media reaction doesn't make sense, because the Wii got the exact same reaction from the media.

In other words, he's talking about the hypocrisy of condemning the Wii U for "not being like the Wii", with the argument actually being exactly the same one that was used to justify expecting the Wii to sell poorly.

It doesn't mean the Wii U will sell well, it just means that you need a stronger argument if you want to claim that it won't.

As for comparing the Wii U to the PS3, I'll point out that not only do Nintendo have the PS3 to learn from (and therefore can avoid the mistakes that Sony made), but the Wii U pretty much addresses every single problem that the PS3 had - late launch relative to main opposition (the PS3 and the 360 were destined to be close competitors), the very high price ($599, and people will "save up to buy one"), the lack of launch games, the lack of early major exclusives (for instance, no Final Fantasy, which was one franchise that sold the PS2 very strongly), and the difficulty in developing for it (they got Darksiders 2 running on the Wii U in something like 5 weeks, to the state of being a playable demo, and that was a year ago, and Gearbox has more recently gushed about how easy it is to develop for the Wii U).

This doesn't guarantee that the Wii U will sell well, but it does invalidate your argument.