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@small44

Unfortunately what you are saying is false, and I for one wish it wasn't the case. Organized religion adheres to just as many negative stances as it does positive stances. It isn't even inferred in many cases. The religious texts that they do follow expressly state that the follower should commit murder, debase, and discriminate against other people. The truth is that people who murder in the name of religion are usually following the express command of their god.

I find this story depressing, because I am bereft of any sympathy. I have been so bombarded with stories of how shitty Muslims treat ethnic minorities in countries where they are the majority. That this story reads like a perverse kind of justice in my mind. I know I shouldn't feel this way, but well there it is for what it is worth.



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Marks said:
sethnintendo said:

Humans will never be able to all get along. Religion only helps divide. Greed, ignorance, and nationalism helps fuel the rest.


Greed is good. I'd say jelousy is more the problem. 

Greed is not good. Even Adam Smith believed that responsibility and benevolence was necessary amongst actors in the capitalistic market, and looked on in horror in his later years at what his doctrine had been warped into. I imagine he's turned over in his grave several times with all the social darwinists and big-finance criminals running rampant out there under Gordon Gekko's misguided (and misquoted) credo.



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Mr Khan said:
Marks said:
sethnintendo said:

Humans will never be able to all get along. Religion only helps divide. Greed, ignorance, and nationalism helps fuel the rest.


Greed is good. I'd say jelousy is more the problem. 

Greed is not good. Even Adam Smith believed that responsibility and benevolence was necessary amongst actors in the capitalistic market, and looked on in horror in his later years at what his doctrine had been warped into. I imagine he's turned over in his grave several times with all the social darwinists and big-finance criminals running rampant out there under Gordon Gekko's misguided (and misquoted) credo.

I think Marks was being sarcastic. 



t3mporary_126 said:
Mr Khan said:
Marks said:
sethnintendo said:

Humans will never be able to all get along. Religion only helps divide. Greed, ignorance, and nationalism helps fuel the rest.


Greed is good. I'd say jelousy is more the problem. 

Greed is not good. Even Adam Smith believed that responsibility and benevolence was necessary amongst actors in the capitalistic market, and looked on in horror in his later years at what his doctrine had been warped into. I imagine he's turned over in his grave several times with all the social darwinists and big-finance criminals running rampant out there under Gordon Gekko's misguided (and misquoted) credo.

I think Marks was being sarcastic. 

Marks is a minarchist, from my understanding.



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Look at how many people was killed in the first and second World war and not because of religions

Look at 100millions  indigenous peoples killed in America and they die not because of the religions

Look  at how many  indigenous peoples  was killed in Australia and the cause is not religions.

Violence has nothing to do  with religions even if a people say he killed innocent persons becauses of his religions he's a liar terrorism has no religion.

 



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small44 said:

Look at how many people was killed in the first and second World war and not because of religions

Look at 100millions  indigenous peoples killed in America and they die not because of the religions

Look  at how many  indigenous peoples  was killed in Australia and the cause is not religions.

Violence has nothing to do  with religions even if a people say he killed innocent persons becauses of his religions he's a liar terrorism has no religion.

 

Japan at least was acting as much on a religious basis in the second world war as anything else. Emperor Hirohito was the living descendent of the Sun Goddess Amaterasu Omikami and his word was as to law for the people, who would build the reach of the state to accentuate his glory and the glory of the imperial family.

Aside from that, however,  you've got things like the Crusades, or the Israel-Palestine affair, various purges between Buddhism and Taoism across Chinese history. The issue is that religion usually isn't the root cause, but people merely utilizing religion for more realistic ends, or at the very least as a mere tribal indicator.



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When i saw people killing and say it's because his religion what is the first think i do?

The first thing i go to the source of the religions like Torah,the bibles,Coran.



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The Torah is ridden with stories about how God cleansed unholy nations before him, commanding the hands of men to work out the acts.

You can argue that these people were evil in their hearts, you can argue that it is a war.

The issue I have with the Coran is that the people who promote it fanatically are some of the most unholy people I have ever known, ridden with pride and a lust for power.

I have met fantastic muslims, but the most zealous ones scare the living shit out of me, because I know what's inside of them.

You'll find the same thing outside of religion. People who think they are the supreme beings, at the top of the evolutionary ladder. Racists, Narcisists, Egotistical megalomaniacs you'll ever encounter. Yet there it is, without religion.

In other words, there's enough to suit everybody's fancy, because bottom line the sewage of humanity lies in the heart.

"21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. 23 All these evil things come from within and defile a man.”

WE ALL HAVE IT! And some things enable it more than others.



But in the coran they are not any montion to kill innocent persons from any other religion or belief.



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Wii U - 25m

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small44 said:

But in the coran they are not any montion to kill innocent persons from any other religion or belief.

It's not true though... the theology is conflicted. In times of conquest, it's pay tribute or convert. At other times, refusal to convert is death. There are modes in islam, you can't look at one and deny the other. When at war, it's conversion time.

In a muslim nation, when a person decides to convert from Islam to Christianity, they are in danger of death. True story.