DirtyP2002 said: Alby_da_Wolf said: You are both forgetting Uncharted. No, not every games was 90+ on meta, which was my point couple of posts ago. Somehow Fable was brought up (not by me though). But I agree, Uncharted is the only really big franchise Sony created of the past 7 years. And here again, just like with God of War, Sony does the same as MS. Investing in it, release sequels for it (4 games in 5 years). And this is not a bad thing at all, if consumers want it and buy it. Every company would LOVE to have these franchises like Halo, Gears, Fable, Forza. But when MS keeps investing in it, it is bad. Sony tries to create franchises as succhessful as these and did not really get there yet, so new IPs will be killed shortly after (MAG, Resistance, Starhawk, Twisted Metal etc). The two franchises that got there God of War and Uncharted are handled by Sony the same way MS handles their games. This is the only point I tried to make.

Yes, I get your point, but I have doubts on Forza, though. With Halo, Gears and Fable you can invest more on different titles of the franchise during a single generation, because you release different "volumes" of a saga, but a major racing sim is different, you aren't telling a story, with GT Sony released during this generation a prologue and then the main title, that it patches, updates and expands, and it's the leader of its category, so MS making with updates and expansions a new version to be sold separately and full price could end up being perceived as far worse value for money, even if the latest version is very high quality, and actually GT this gen sold more with a prologue and a main title than Forza with three main titles. And in both cases you can see the second title is the best seller by a big margin, while the third, and currently last, present only in Forza, is the worst one by far, it could be that for their genre, the third title in a single generation is what marks the beginning of "milking".
About everything else, I'd say Sony and MS aren't very different, but they are different enough to be able to thrive simultaneously. And without any doubt, MS marketing is far better than Sony one, they tend to be both often appalling, but MS keeps its own more effective, with another main difference, MS is far better at marketing games and Kinect than Sony is at doing it for games and PS Move, but Sony is better at marketing the PlayStation brand in general. And sales reflect this, as PS3 is closing the gap in HW, but XB360 enjoys the best attach rate of the industry by far this gen, and the trend is of further improving it, showing that its life cycle is still quite healthy (PS3 is currently healthy too, but XB360 attach rate is still unreachable, and it will stay so unless Sony keeps on selling PS3 for at least a couple of years after XB360 stops).

"To have to lower the quality of games just to make a profit is pushing nothing"

Games like Trials Evolution and recently Spelunky are certainly quality titles, just not a big budget/high ploygon count game. You just officially associated polygon counts with quality. Nice job. 

Ok, so MS is a far better publisher then developer. So what? 360 gets the games and thats all that matters. Who cares if they made it or just published/paid a dev off. But you know MS has also been investing in their own studios as of late. 

Irrelevant to cause of gaming? Live says hi......has been literally setting the bar for 2 gens. But thats off topic. You seem to take it personally that MS would rather publish then develop when the games come to it all the same. Your not really even disagreeing with me anymore...you admitted to me MS is doing smart business. 

Doesnt change that its getting great reviews and its not available on PS3. Its a 360 win and a great game not available on the competition no matter how u slice it. 

- Gears is 3rd party, owned by Epic.....you seem to get caught up in the details and not see the big picture......Gears isnt available on PS3!. 1st, 3rd.......the idea is to get games the competition doesnt. Simple. Case closed. 

- Fable bashing is only the vocal internet minority. You should learn by now that internet hype is actually the EXACT OPPOSITE of how the real world acts. For example. Journey compared to Trials Evolution. Both downloadable titles, both 90+ metacritic games, released during a similar timeframe. Journey has FAR more internet hype and discussion. In the real world, Trials broke the 500 000 sold barrier in a few weeks. Journey......well Sony thought it would save face by not revealing stats. Point being......dont let Sony fans fool you into an illusion that doesnt exist in the real world.....the only one that matters. 

The fable series is still loved by millions and has much critical acclaim, despite the vocal minority on here. 

- GTs potential as a franchise dwindled this gen due to PDs slow dev cycle. Forza 2, 3, and 4 sales combined rival that of GT5 sales with their $40 demo. MS 3rd string exclusive Forza now is as profitable as Sonys #1 franchise......all because PD takes their sweet time. Lets not even get into the actual quality of each series. 

Do not confuse games that fans dont want with being marketed poorly. Motorstorm, Resistance, MAG, Socom, Modnation, Heavenly Sword, Starhawk, Twisted Metal......these are all games PS3 gamers killed for talking the talk but not walking the walk.  Its easy to say you like a game but quite another to actually buy it and preach what you like. Failed IP's that PS3 gamers didnt want are not the face of the platform. Sony isnt a charity and if you think they should keep investing millions into games that only a minority will buy, then you are hurting Sony more then you think. 

Perhaps I was a bit blunt when I stated pride in liking variety. Thats not Microsofts deal. Gears is as good as dead after this gen is over, they've milked the franchise. The core Fable minds (including Molyneux) left Lionhead Studios, so all you can do is pray. As for  Halo....it's truthfully all Microsoft has. If I were you putting faith in Microsoft I would hope they come out with successful new IP's, because they don't act like a gaming company at all.

XBLA has variety. But downloadable titles arent games in your book. Gears as good as dead? It sold more then Uncharted with every iteration and scored above 90 on metacritic every time. Dont confuse personal opinion with real world facts again. Fable is a wild card ill give you that. Halo.....its all MS has.....well that alone is a loaded statement considering its 30+ million sales this gen on 360, nevermind what Halo 4 will add, is more then many PS3 exclusives combined.......nuff said.

MS is a gaming company and is just doing business differently then you want them too. But hey, they are profiting billions now while Sony is in the red all over and while PS is now making a profit, they certainly still have to recoup the billions lost from PS3's early years. Maybe you should rethink how a gaming company should act and criticize Sony, for MS seems to be doing just fine. 

I was talking specifically about the ps3. If MS had their own handheld I would maybe include it, but it's not really a fair comparison. There are several other franchises I just forgot to add like Killzone, but their are other games I just purposely didn't mention like Fusion Frenzy and Socom because neither franchise is a big seller and both had a huge decline in sales and quality from last gen.   

Good. I honestly thought this years MS E3 was much much better than the 2010/11 ones. So good job that

You're right Gears is second party. I am not taking back the rest though.

I never contested the reviews, it's a good game. I didn't care about the exclusivity and I didn't try to make this about a "win". I didn't slice anything. Just addressing the topic of risk.

Someone please post a gif of that singer/dancer on MS' presentation.