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Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 on 03 July 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Core games or not they still sucked. They aren't investing in core games the way they should be.

Certainly making a better effort then Nintendo. 

But XBLA seems to be where they are taking risks with new content. Spelunky is a MS published game, coming out next week,  getting great reviews. 


Microsoft has proven that they've tried with high risk titles and failed too many times, which is why they always take the cheap route with XBLA. High reward for low risk. They only care to invest in proven franchises which literally are less than a handful. They aren't good at making exclusives and two generations is proof of that enough for the blind. Nintendo doesn't make enough core titles but when they pump out a Metroid, Zelda, Mario or any of their stable it tends to be a hit. My only worry for them is making a new IP. 

What big exclusives have they invested in that failed? (Not including those stupid kinect games)

I dont know lol, can you name a few?

Im kinda new to this gen as I only bought me Xbox360 last year and my ps3 the year before.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 03 July 2012
Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Core games or not they still sucked. They aren't investing in core games the way they should be.

Certainly making a better effort then Nintendo. 

But XBLA seems to be where they are taking risks with new content. Spelunky is a MS published game, coming out next week,  getting great reviews. 


Microsoft has proven that they've tried with high risk titles and failed too many times, which is why they always take the cheap route with XBLA. High reward for low risk. They only care to invest in proven franchises which literally are less than a handful. They aren't good at making exclusives and two generations is proof of that enough for the blind. Nintendo doesn't make enough core titles but when they pump out a Metroid, Zelda, Mario or any of their stable it tends to be a hit. My only worry for them is making a new IP. 

What big exclusives have they invested in that failed? (Not including those stupid kinect games)

I dont know lol, can you name a few?

Im kinda new to this gen as I only bought me Xbox360 last year and my ps3 the year before.


XSN, Their fleet of average first party on the Xbox which were overshadowed by their third party completely, Too Human (Contract with Silicon Knights that fell through because it sucked), Fable franchise (Not bad just a severe letdown), Ninety-Nine Nights and much, much more. 



DirtyP2002 on 03 July 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Core games or not they still sucked. They aren't investing in core games the way they should be.

Certainly making a better effort then Nintendo. 

But XBLA seems to be where they are taking risks with new content. Spelunky is a MS published game, coming out next week,  getting great reviews. 


Microsoft has proven that they've tried with high risk titles and failed too many times, which is why they always take the cheap route with XBLA. High reward for low risk. They only care to invest in proven franchises which literally are less than a handful. They aren't good at making exclusives and two generations is proof of that enough for the blind. Nintendo doesn't make enough core titles but when they pump out a Metroid, Zelda, Mario or any of their stable it tends to be a hit. My only worry for them is making a new IP. 

High reward with low risk.........literally the dream spot for any company to aspire to, in this case creating great experiences at a fraction of the cost at a fraction of the price for us gamers. Its metacritic score also carries as much weight as a big budget game because fun is fun and quality is quality no matter the polygon count. And your making it sound like a bad thing......

I also see nothing wrong with investing in proven franchises that gamers want. Seems they know their boundaries. Big budgets go to franchises the fans want and care about. New ideas, fresh gameplay, and variety now lies in XBLA. Beats investing tens of millions into a game thats literally hit or miss. 


It is not a dream spot. To have to lower the quality of games just to make a profit is pushing nothing. It's just smart is all itis, the way games are moving isn't moving upwards or downwards, just in a the same place its always been to be quite frank. Microsoft fails at titles because they aren't a creative company. Microsoft is only at their best when they find a proven project and invest in it. Microsoft could leave the gaming industry and still publish games and profit off of those. They did it before they even came into the race. I could care less whether they stay or go to tell the truth, outside of Halo and Gears they are irrelevant to the cause of gaming. Don't take this to heart, this is just my opinion. Outside of functional online and Halo Microsoft has brought aggressive marketing the likes Sony and Nintendo have never dealt with. If they are to learn a lesson from them it is that. I've invested enough in Microsoft for two generations and their best games imho dont come from them.

This is the point where you are wrong.

Look at the franchises MS keeps investing in.

  • Halo: sold millions, fans love it, game innovates with every sequel, every major Halo is rated higher than 90 on meta
  • Gears of War: sold millions, fans love it, every game is 90+ on meta.
  • Forza: sold millions, unmatched quality in this genre, every game is 90+ on meta.

Sony was not able to build a franchise as successful as these in the past 10 years. People like you go all out and praise Sony for delivering new IPs, but that is just because their new IPs flop. Do you think we will ever see a major Twisted Metal game again? Will there be a Starhawk 2? Resistance is officialy dead already. MAG 2 won't happen either. Modnation Racers looks unlikely to me.

The only game that COULD be mentioned is LBP from the PS3 generation, but this franchise is in sharp decline from LBP to LBP 2 and doing a Karting game and Media Molecule working on a new IP does not show me Sony will heavily invest in this franchise in the future.

From the PS2 generation there is God of War, a game that absolutely fits in the category of the MS games and guess what - Sony does the same as MS.



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...

S.T.A.G.E. on 03 July 2012
DirtyP2002 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Core games or not they still sucked. They aren't investing in core games the way they should be.

Certainly making a better effort then Nintendo. 

But XBLA seems to be where they are taking risks with new content. Spelunky is a MS published game, coming out next week,  getting great reviews. 


Microsoft has proven that they've tried with high risk titles and failed too many times, which is why they always take the cheap route with XBLA. High reward for low risk. They only care to invest in proven franchises which literally are less than a handful. They aren't good at making exclusives and two generations is proof of that enough for the blind. Nintendo doesn't make enough core titles but when they pump out a Metroid, Zelda, Mario or any of their stable it tends to be a hit. My only worry for them is making a new IP. 

High reward with low risk.........literally the dream spot for any company to aspire to, in this case creating great experiences at a fraction of the cost at a fraction of the price for us gamers. Its metacritic score also carries as much weight as a big budget game because fun is fun and quality is quality no matter the polygon count. And your making it sound like a bad thing......

I also see nothing wrong with investing in proven franchises that gamers want. Seems they know their boundaries. Big budgets go to franchises the fans want and care about. New ideas, fresh gameplay, and variety now lies in XBLA. Beats investing tens of millions into a game thats literally hit or miss. 


It is not a dream spot. To have to lower the quality of games just to make a profit is pushing nothing. It's just smart is all itis, the way games are moving isn't moving upwards or downwards, just in a the same place its always been to be quite frank. Microsoft fails at titles because they aren't a creative company. Microsoft is only at their best when they find a proven project and invest in it. Microsoft could leave the gaming industry and still publish games and profit off of those. They did it before they even came into the race. I could care less whether they stay or go to tell the truth, outside of Halo and Gears they are irrelevant to the cause of gaming. Don't take this to heart, this is just my opinion. Outside of functional online and Halo Microsoft has brought aggressive marketing the likes Sony and Nintendo have never dealt with. If they are to learn a lesson from them it is that. I've invested enough in Microsoft for two generations and their best games imho dont come from them.

This is the point where you are wrong.

Look at the franchises MS keeps investing in.

  • Halo: sold millions, fans love it, game innovates with every sequel, every major Halo is rated higher than 90 on meta
  • Gears of War: sold millions, fans love it, every game is 90+ on meta.
  • Forza: sold millions, unmatched quality in this genre, every game is 90+ on meta.

Sony was not able to build a franchise as successful as these in the past 10 years. People like you go all out and praise Sony for delivering new IPs, but that is just because their new IPs flop. Do you think we will ever see a major Twisted Metal game again? Will there be a Starhawk 2? Resistance is officialy dead already. MAG 2 won't happen either. Modnation Racers looks unlikely to me.

The only game that COULD be mentioned is LBP from the PS3 generation, but this franchise is in sharp decline from LBP to LBP 2 and doing a Karting game and Media Molecule working on a new IP does not show me Sony will heavily invest in this franchise in the future.

From the PS2 generation there is God of War, a game that absolutely fits in the category of the MS games and guess what - Sony does the same as MS.


You never proved me wrong.

1. Gears is third party. As I said before third party "exclusives" always in mass overshadowed the bulk of Microsofts first party because it was always weak. 

2. I never denied Halo, Project Gotham, Fable or Forza, but they stand on their own and they were the only surviving franchises to next gen where the list dwindled further. Microsoft left the Project Gotham team to rot with Activision. Hopefully Microsoft does the merciful thing and just lets Fable die after Molyneux and his team go onto other ventures.

3. Of course Sony has always had a more successful franchise than Project Gotham and Forza combined. It's called Grand Turismo.

Sony is always pushing fresh new IP's which may not be marketed properly but are quickly becoming the face of their platform. I don't care if they dont have as much acclaim as a handful of titles. A gamer should take pride in enjoying various experiences and overcoming them. Case closed.



Lafiel on 03 July 2012
Argh_College said:
Big 3 press are becoming worse and worse every year... i hope this changes with new gen.

hmm.. well Sony and Microsoft stuff seems to get leaked more and more in advance, so you better don't read the forums the month before E3 if you want to be "Wow"ed

additionally Sony follows a strategy to announce most of their stuff in the months/weeks before E3 to give those games some time alone in the spotlight (maybe because they know they wouldn't be able to keep them a secret anyway)

Nintendo probably has the best chances to have a great press conference as they are very secretive, yet somehow imo they didn't manage to show sth really compelling and different from their usual stuff in years



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Chark on 03 July 2012
sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Core games or not they still sucked. They aren't investing in core games the way they should be.

Certainly making a better effort then Nintendo. 

But XBLA seems to be where they are taking risks with new content. Spelunky is a MS published game, coming out next week,  getting great reviews. 


You make it seem like it isn't a free PC game that came out 3 years ago. There is very little risk involved in this release. Microsoft didn't make this game they just changed the artwork and added multiplayer. Maybe there's more than that, but it doesn't look like it. Making new IPs is risky, this isn't. I like the game, it's great that its coming out on XBL, but its not taking risks and its not free on XBL. If you want to play Spelunky now go ahead: http://spelunkyworld.com/original.html



Before the PS3 everyone was nice to me :(

S.T.A.G.E. on 03 July 2012
Chark said:
sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Core games or not they still sucked. They aren't investing in core games the way they should be.

Certainly making a better effort then Nintendo. 

But XBLA seems to be where they are taking risks with new content. Spelunky is a MS published game, coming out next week,  getting great reviews. 


You make it seem like it isn't a free PC game that came out 3 years ago. There is very little risk involved in this release. Microsoft didn't make this game they just changed the artwork and added multiplayer. Maybe there's more than that, but it doesn't look like it. Making new IPs is risky, this isn't. I like the game, it's great that its coming out on XBL, but its not taking risks and its not free on XBL. If you want to play Spelunky now go ahead: http://spelunkyworld.com/original.html

Its also cheaper to play fruit Ninja on the IPad than the Kinect.



DirtyP2002 on 03 July 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
DirtyP2002 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Core games or not they still sucked. They aren't investing in core games the way they should be.

Certainly making a better effort then Nintendo. 

But XBLA seems to be where they are taking risks with new content. Spelunky is a MS published game, coming out next week,  getting great reviews. 


Microsoft has proven that they've tried with high risk titles and failed too many times, which is why they always take the cheap route with XBLA. High reward for low risk. They only care to invest in proven franchises which literally are less than a handful. They aren't good at making exclusives and two generations is proof of that enough for the blind. Nintendo doesn't make enough core titles but when they pump out a Metroid, Zelda, Mario or any of their stable it tends to be a hit. My only worry for them is making a new IP. 

High reward with low risk.........literally the dream spot for any company to aspire to, in this case creating great experiences at a fraction of the cost at a fraction of the price for us gamers. Its metacritic score also carries as much weight as a big budget game because fun is fun and quality is quality no matter the polygon count. And your making it sound like a bad thing......

I also see nothing wrong with investing in proven franchises that gamers want. Seems they know their boundaries. Big budgets go to franchises the fans want and care about. New ideas, fresh gameplay, and variety now lies in XBLA. Beats investing tens of millions into a game thats literally hit or miss. 


It is not a dream spot. To have to lower the quality of games just to make a profit is pushing nothing. It's just smart is all itis, the way games are moving isn't moving upwards or downwards, just in a the same place its always been to be quite frank. Microsoft fails at titles because they aren't a creative company. Microsoft is only at their best when they find a proven project and invest in it. Microsoft could leave the gaming industry and still publish games and profit off of those. They did it before they even came into the race. I could care less whether they stay or go to tell the truth, outside of Halo and Gears they are irrelevant to the cause of gaming. Don't take this to heart, this is just my opinion. Outside of functional online and Halo Microsoft has brought aggressive marketing the likes Sony and Nintendo have never dealt with. If they are to learn a lesson from them it is that. I've invested enough in Microsoft for two generations and their best games imho dont come from them.

This is the point where you are wrong.

Look at the franchises MS keeps investing in.

  • Halo: sold millions, fans love it, game innovates with every sequel, every major Halo is rated higher than 90 on meta
  • Gears of War: sold millions, fans love it, every game is 90+ on meta.
  • Forza: sold millions, unmatched quality in this genre, every game is 90+ on meta.

Sony was not able to build a franchise as successful as these in the past 10 years. People like you go all out and praise Sony for delivering new IPs, but that is just because their new IPs flop. Do you think we will ever see a major Twisted Metal game again? Will there be a Starhawk 2? Resistance is officialy dead already. MAG 2 won't happen either. Modnation Racers looks unlikely to me.

The only game that COULD be mentioned is LBP from the PS3 generation, but this franchise is in sharp decline from LBP to LBP 2 and doing a Karting game and Media Molecule working on a new IP does not show me Sony will heavily invest in this franchise in the future.

From the PS2 generation there is God of War, a game that absolutely fits in the category of the MS games and guess what - Sony does the same as MS.


You never proved me wrong.

1. Gears is third party. As I said before third party "exclusives" always in mass overshadowed the bulk of Microsofts first party because it was always weak. 

2. I never denied Halo, Project Gotham, Fable or Forza, but they stand on their own and they were the only surviving franchises to next gen where the list dwindled further. Microsoft left the Project Gotham team to rot with Activision. Hopefully Microsoft does the merciful thing and just lets Fable die after Molyneux and his team go onto other ventures.

3. Of course Sony has always had a more successful franchise than Project Gotham and Forza combined. It's called Grand Turismo.

Sony is always pushing fresh new IP's which may not be marketed properly but are quickly becoming the face of their platform. I don't care if they dont have as much acclaim as a handful of titles. A gamer should take pride in enjoying various experiences and overcoming them. Case closed.
  1. Gears is 2nd party, published by MS. Epic called themselves even first party before.
  2. Ehm you denied Fable in your previous post. You called it a letdown 50 Minutes ago!
  3. Gran Turismo is not a franchise fom the past 10 years, isn't it?

Nice try though.

These new IPs did not sell well due to bad marketing, they sold bad, because they did not appeal to a lot of people and PS3 gamers did not want to spend $50 on it, because these games were not worth it according to them. Otherwise they would have bought them.

"A gamer should take pride in blabla" Is this now a religion and you are the leader telling me, a gamer, how I should behave? I am a gamer for the better part of my life and I would go nuts if MS stopped investing in Halo, Gears or Fable and only focus on new IPs that will be killed 1-2 years later.



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...

smroadkill15 on 03 July 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Core games or not they still sucked. They aren't investing in core games the way they should be.

Certainly making a better effort then Nintendo. 

But XBLA seems to be where they are taking risks with new content. Spelunky is a MS published game, coming out next week,  getting great reviews. 


Microsoft has proven that they've tried with high risk titles and failed too many times, which is why they always take the cheap route with XBLA. High reward for low risk. They only care to invest in proven franchises which literally are less than a handful. They aren't good at making exclusives and two generations is proof of that enough for the blind. Nintendo doesn't make enough core titles but when they pump out a Metroid, Zelda, Mario or any of their stable it tends to be a hit. My only worry for them is making a new IP. 

What big exclusives have they invested in that failed? (Not including those stupid kinect games)

I dont know lol, can you name a few?

Im kinda new to this gen as I only bought me Xbox360 last year and my ps3 the year before.


XSN, Their fleet of average first party on the Xbox which were overshadowed by their third party completely, Too Human (Contract with Silicon Knights that fell through because it sucked), Fable franchise (Not bad just a severe letdown), Ninety-Nine Nights and much, much more. 

It's easy to name franchises that didn't take off, I could do the same thing for both Nintendo and Sony, so that's a pointless agruement. I agree with Too Human and NNN, but I would disagree with Fable franchise. Not only is it one the best selling wrpg's franchises it's pretty well received critic wise.

You are very critical when it comes to MS first party, but you have to remember both Sony and Nintendo have been in the console game longer than MS, so they both have had more time to build up a stable of first party franchises and developers. Now, looking back at the PS2, wasn't it hugely successful mainly because of the 3rd party support it had, even more so than it's first party? I just don't get why your so critical on MS relying on 3rd party when Sony did that exact same thing last gen.

How many franchises did Sony bring back this gen from last gen and before? God of War, GT, Rachet&Clank, Sly, and Twisted Metal? MS brought back Halo, Forza, PGR, Fable, and a couple of old Rare titles? Sony is just as guilty as MS for just bringing back a handful of their most successful titles from gen's before and leaving behind titles that didn't take off.



S.T.A.G.E. on 03 July 2012
DirtyP2002 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
DirtyP2002 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Core games or not they still sucked. They aren't investing in core games the way they should be.

Certainly making a better effort then Nintendo. 

But XBLA seems to be where they are taking risks with new content. Spelunky is a MS published game, coming out next week,  getting great reviews. 


Microsoft has proven that they've tried with high risk titles and failed too many times, which is why they always take the cheap route with XBLA. High reward for low risk. They only care to invest in proven franchises which literally are less than a handful. They aren't good at making exclusives and two generations is proof of that enough for the blind. Nintendo doesn't make enough core titles but when they pump out a Metroid, Zelda, Mario or any of their stable it tends to be a hit. My only worry for them is making a new IP. 

High reward with low risk.........literally the dream spot for any company to aspire to, in this case creating great experiences at a fraction of the cost at a fraction of the price for us gamers. Its metacritic score also carries as much weight as a big budget game because fun is fun and quality is quality no matter the polygon count. And your making it sound like a bad thing......

I also see nothing wrong with investing in proven franchises that gamers want. Seems they know their boundaries. Big budgets go to franchises the fans want and care about. New ideas, fresh gameplay, and variety now lies in XBLA. Beats investing tens of millions into a game thats literally hit or miss. 


It is not a dream spot. To have to lower the quality of games just to make a profit is pushing nothing. It's just smart is all itis, the way games are moving isn't moving upwards or downwards, just in a the same place its always been to be quite frank. Microsoft fails at titles because they aren't a creative company. Microsoft is only at their best when they find a proven project and invest in it. Microsoft could leave the gaming industry and still publish games and profit off of those. They did it before they even came into the race. I could care less whether they stay or go to tell the truth, outside of Halo and Gears they are irrelevant to the cause of gaming. Don't take this to heart, this is just my opinion. Outside of functional online and Halo Microsoft has brought aggressive marketing the likes Sony and Nintendo have never dealt with. If they are to learn a lesson from them it is that. I've invested enough in Microsoft for two generations and their best games imho dont come from them.

This is the point where you are wrong.

Look at the franchises MS keeps investing in.

  • Halo: sold millions, fans love it, game innovates with every sequel, every major Halo is rated higher than 90 on meta
  • Gears of War: sold millions, fans love it, every game is 90+ on meta.
  • Forza: sold millions, unmatched quality in this genre, every game is 90+ on meta.

Sony was not able to build a franchise as successful as these in the past 10 years. People like you go all out and praise Sony for delivering new IPs, but that is just because their new IPs flop. Do you think we will ever see a major Twisted Metal game again? Will there be a Starhawk 2? Resistance is officialy dead already. MAG 2 won't happen either. Modnation Racers looks unlikely to me.

The only game that COULD be mentioned is LBP from the PS3 generation, but this franchise is in sharp decline from LBP to LBP 2 and doing a Karting game and Media Molecule working on a new IP does not show me Sony will heavily invest in this franchise in the future.

From the PS2 generation there is God of War, a game that absolutely fits in the category of the MS games and guess what - Sony does the same as MS.


You never proved me wrong.

1. Gears is third party. As I said before third party "exclusives" always in mass overshadowed the bulk of Microsofts first party because it was always weak. 

2. I never denied Halo, Project Gotham, Fable or Forza, but they stand on their own and they were the only surviving franchises to next gen where the list dwindled further. Microsoft left the Project Gotham team to rot with Activision. Hopefully Microsoft does the merciful thing and just lets Fable die after Molyneux and his team go onto other ventures.

3. Of course Sony has always had a more successful franchise than Project Gotham and Forza combined. It's called Grand Turismo.

Sony is always pushing fresh new IP's which may not be marketed properly but are quickly becoming the face of their platform. I don't care if they dont have as much acclaim as a handful of titles. A gamer should take pride in enjoying various experiences and overcoming them. Case closed.
  1. Gears is 2nd party, published by MS. Epic called themselves even first party before.
  2. Ehm you denied Fable in your previous post. You called it a letdown 50 Minutes ago!
  3. Gran Turismo is not a franchise fom the past 10 years, isn't it?

Nice try though.

These new IPs did not sell well due to bad marketing, they sold bad, because they did not appeal to a lot of people and PS3 gamers did not want to spend $50 on it, because these games were not worth it according to them. Otherwise they would have bought them.

"A gamer should take pride in blabla" Is this now a religion and you are the leader telling me, a gamer, how I should behave? I am a gamer for the better part of my life and I would go nuts if MS stopped investing in Halo, Gears or Fable and only focus on new IPs that will be killed 1-2 years later.

1. Gears is wholly owned by Epic. Its third party. Microsoft just publishes exclusivity and the first game wasn't only on the Xbox 360 but the PC. Microsoft signed an exclusivity contract with them.

2. Fable was promised to be a groundbreaking franchise. It failed time after time. Good idea, sold purely on lies.

3. Project Gotham and Forza were created with the purpose of taking out Gran Turismo.

Perhaps I was a bit blunt when I stated pride in liking variety. Thats not Microsofts deal. Gears is as good as dead after this gen is over, they've milked the franchise. The core Fable minds (including Molyneux) left Lionhead Studios, so all you can do is pray. As for  Halo....it's truthfully all Microsoft has. If I were you putting faith in Microsoft I would hope they come out with successful new IP's, because they don't act like a gaming company at all.