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IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

Just remember that while the woman killed him to take revenge and to clear her mind, capturing her was his revenge for his miserable childhood (well, and to clear his mind).

Both of them did something wrong because of previous experiences. Her experience just happened to be more recent and more visible to the public.

Revenge is only revenge if it's taken on those who wronged you. She took revenge. He did not.

And she didn't do something wrong because of "previous experiences." The example given was killing him while escaping. She did something wrong in order to ensure her continued life/freedom. Even if the public was to hear his story, it doesn't justify his actions toward her.



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Jay520 said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

There are methods to keep criminals away from victims. But if the treatment is perfectly successful you would reach a point where he actually says sorry to her.

I'm not sure what that last sentence is about.



I'll repeat myself then. The man is more wrong then the woman because...

1.) The woman was killing the direct source of her suffering. There was no other way she could have realistically escaped with him being alive &

2.) The man killed an innocent. The woman was not making him suffer, it was his fucked up childhood. His 'revenge' was not replied to the rightful party. If he really couldn't live without her, then he had the option to get help. The woman had no options.

So yeah, we should sympathize more with the woman.

I didn't state anywhere that the man killed someone. As far as we know he may be strictly against killing.

As for number 1, she obviously needs treatment too. In a perfect world he would end up saying sorry to her and she would accept it. In the same world murder would never be justified except for when necessary. That was not the case in my OP, and simply hurting him enough to not be able to follow her would be enough.



IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

The government allows people to stick close to their cultures, which may result in that they choose not to embrace the Swedish society and norms. In the most severe cases (although this is very rare) it has resulted in open hate towards certain minorities, as opposed to the very open Swedish society.

Allows them, how? Remember, we are talking about disallowing something with no coercion or punishment attached to non-assimilation. Strictly by reasoning with them.



Jay520 said:
hatmoza said:

How can I respond with the OP without getting banned... I'll keep my opinion to myself then.

Plus I can't really distinguish whether this is a real opinion or a controversial reaction thread.



Why did you post in this thread then? If you knew you wouldn't respond to the OP? What is your purpose? To let us know that you won't respond?

He might possibly wanted to state that he and an opinion yet it was a strong one that would of got him banned?



Jay520 said:
hatmoza said:

How can I respond with the OP without getting banned... I'll keep my opinion to myself then.

Plus I can't really distinguish whether this is a real opinion or a controversial reaction thread.



Why did you post in this thread then? If you knew you wouldn't respond to the OP? What is your purpose? To let us know that you won't respond?

It's a way of saying that the OP is stupid without actually calling the OP stupid and getting banned. That hatmoza is a cagey mofo.



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Jereel Hunter said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

Just remember that while the woman killed him to take revenge and to clear her mind, capturing her was his revenge for his miserable childhood (well, and to clear his mind).

Both of them did something wrong because of previous experiences. Her experience just happened to be more recent and more visible to the public.

Revenge is only revenge if it's taken on those who wronged you. She took revenge. He did not.

And she didn't do something wrong because of "previous experiences." The example given was killing him while escaping. She did something wrong in order to ensure her continued life/freedom. Even if the public was to hear his story, it doesn't justify his actions toward her.


She took revenge on the direct source, he did not. I may blow up Canada as revenge for their poor hockey efforts.

Killing is wrong as long as it is not necessary according to law. Self-defence murder can be justified, but that is not the case in the OP. Thus her action was wrong, but we can easily understand why she did it.



NintendoPie said:
Jay520 said:
hatmoza said:

How can I respond with the OP without getting banned... I'll keep my opinion to myself then.

Plus I can't really distinguish whether this is a real opinion or a controversial reaction thread.



Why did you post in this thread then? If you knew you wouldn't respond to the OP? What is your purpose? To let us know that you won't respond?

He might possibly wanted to state that he and an opinion yet it was a strong one that would of got him banned?



Then his post was completely useless.

Jay520 said:



Then his post was completely useless.

Well badgenome's comment makes even more sense.



IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
Jereel Hunter said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

Just remember that while the woman killed him to take revenge and to clear her mind, capturing her was his revenge for his miserable childhood (well, and to clear his mind).

Both of them did something wrong because of previous experiences. Her experience just happened to be more recent and more visible to the public.

Revenge is only revenge if it's taken on those who wronged you. She took revenge. He did not.

And she didn't do something wrong because of "previous experiences." The example given was killing him while escaping. She did something wrong in order to ensure her continued life/freedom. Even if the public was to hear his story, it doesn't justify his actions toward her.


She took revenge on the direct source, he did not. I may blow up Canada as revenge for their poor hockey efforts.

Killing is wrong as long as it is not necessary according to law. Self-defence murder can be justified, but that is not the case in the OP. Thus her action was wrong, but we can easily understand why she did it.

You're acting like this killing is black and white, but it's all sorts of colors, man. Especially when your point revolves around public outcry and opinion.

 

Direct vs Indirect Revenge is a huuuuuge difference in both intent and social human acceptance in our culture.



IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
Jay520 said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

There are methods to keep criminals away from victims. But if the treatment is perfectly successful you would reach a point where he actually says sorry to her.

I'm not sure what that last sentence is about.



I'll repeat myself then. The man is more wrong then the woman because...

1.) The woman was killing the direct source of her suffering. There was no other way she could have realistically escaped with him being alive &

2.) The man killed an innocent. The woman was not making him suffer, it was his fucked up childhood. His 'revenge' was not replied to the rightful party. If he really couldn't live without her, then he had the option to get help. The woman had no options.

So yeah, we should sympathize more with the woman.

I didn't state anywhere that the man killed someone. As far as we know he may be strictly against killing.

As for number 1, she obviously needs treatment too. In a perfect world he would end up saying sorry toher and she would accept it. In the same world murder would neverbe justified except for when necessary. That was not the case in my OP, and simply hurting him enough to not be able to follow her would be enough.



I think I'm going to back off for a second & let you respond to Jereel Huneter's first post in this thread because it covered my points & a lot more.