You dodged Rol's point completely. 3D Mario sold better, Smash Bros sold better, Wii version of Twilight Princess sold better and Skyward Sword matches Wind Waker, Metroid Prime 3 pegged between Prime and Prime 2, Resident Evil 4 did better, Mario Kart did about 5x better, Radiant Dawn was the best-selling Fire Emblem game for Western sales

Someone gotta look up "jealousy" in an urban dictionary and link that page to this thread.


Nintendo played their cards right, allowing them to steal a great part of Sony's former casual userbase. It really is that simple.

When you look at Nintendo 64 versus Wii, you see that Mario Kart Wii a Casual fun kids game did better on Wii, there wasn't a New Super Mario Bros. Wii type game on N64 to compare the two, the third iteration of Super Smash Bros. did better on Wii than the first one which came out late in the N64's lifespan.

However, you also see that  on N64 Super Mario 64 did better than Super Mario Galaxy and much better than Super Mario Galay 2, a core shooter like Golden Eye did much better than any core shooter on Wii.  The Legend of Zelda:  Ocarina of Time did better than Twilight Princess and much better than Skyward Sword, and with the Wii having a tremendously larger user base Donkey Kong Returns one of the few critic's darlings on Wii this gen just did a little bit better than Rare's Donkey Kong 64 which wasn't even one of the most heralded games by the critics of its time in comparison to other Rare titles .

And when you compare the list of the highest rated games on N64 the top rated N64 games tend to  have amuch stronger correlation in comparison to the top selling games on N64 than the highest rated games on Wii do to the top selling games on Wii.

In short, the N64 was much more of a gamer's console than Wii.

But you'll also find the top selling game on each console being a highly rated core title.  The top selling game on Wii was an average critically rated pack-in that wouldn't have sold that well on any other console and that was successful not because of the motion controls or its quality but because of Nintendo being Nintendo.

Actually investors would probably love it if Sony did that. It would mean more sales for PS3. Everyone knows that casuals is where all the money is at. Microsoft already figured that out with Kinect.

I'm assuming I'm one of the guys you're talking about. It's pretty obvious most people buy Mario games because Mario is in them. You can be cynical and consider it brainwashing but it is far less evil. It's a lot like coca-cola actually. As a drink it can't really be in a league of its own based solely off taste. Instead Coca-Cola is marketed and designed to make you think it is. When you drink a coke they want you to maybe remember sharing one with your dad or hanging out with friends. Subconsciously they want you to associate their drink with happiness. Nintendo doesn't flat out explain this association like Coca-Cola does but it is still there. The other system makers get similar effects but Nintendo is by far the best at it. If I said "Super Mario Bros.", positive feelings will instantly fill your head.

I think its a good sign for Nintendo that they are even the center of attention in the Sony Discussion forums. Sony had 17 years now to slap a face on their brand like Nintendo did. Nintendo getting a pass is ridiculuous, they are taking so much heat from everywhere, it's not even funny anymore. How is that a pass? The Wii didn't succeed because it got a pass, it succeeded DESPITE getting shit on by the gaming media.

Everyone knows Nintendo titles sell well. That is the problem. If it doesn't have that Nintendo mascot, it won't sell.

I prefer Pepsi myself

And no I don’t think a game is good because they make us think it is lol wtf! It is good because I like it and think it is good!

Hahahaha lol tis so funny  

I wish I was better at English to know the words to describe your kind

Its all one big lie guys! Nintendo games actually suck and these gentlemen are here to show us the light, the truth!

Wait now I don’t know if I know that I like it because I like or because I think I like it…

You SOOOOOO  totally dont get what happened that its funny.

First of Nintendo did create the hardcore games. Mario Zelda Metroid etc. So this part of your text is nonsense.

Another thing is Nintendo did not annouce "WE ARE GOING TO DROP HARDCORE GAMES (which they did not) AND CONCENTRATE ON SHOVELWARE AND STUFF LIKE THAT"  As you said yourself this might kill a company.

What they did was: They showed the Wii and its futuristic controller. They showed a small teaser video for Metroid, red steel which locked awesome (but turned out okay at best) and some other stuff. The Wii didnt turn into what it is now in its first year. Plaqued by third party absence when it comes to GOOD games but at the same time plaqued by shovelware  made by the same third party devs and publishers  that dont support the wii with good games  Example CarnivalGames and Take2 which owns RockstarGames and 2k Games.

And btw  n64 and Cube are no failures. It might be a failure for you  but for me the n64 and cube were awesome. And Nintendo also didnt lose money   the money aspect alone shows that those 2 consoles were no failures   especially when they  made gaming better for all people by making analogs,  rumble feature and wireless controllers  todays standard.