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How anyone thinks Nintendo got a "Free Pass" is beyond me.



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Khuutra said:
EdHieron said:
Khuutra said:
EdHieron said:


I have to take issue with the "Family Console" thing what Nintendo fans wanted was a console that was chock full of as many core games as the NES and SNES for the past two gens, they wanted Final Fantasy back as an exclusive on their console, and I really doubt the fanbase that made the original "Conker's Bad Fur Day" and "Perfect Dark" two of the biggest games of their time were really that concerned with having a family console.  I would say there would only be a handful of Nintendo fans saying after the success of the Super Nintendo and  prior to the success of the Wii as a family console that what they most wanted in Wii was a family console.

Neither Conker's Bad Fur Day nor Perfect Dark ranked particularly high among the "biggest games of their time", your exaggeration is egregious in this case.

Conker's Bad Fur Day got a 9.9 from IGN and Perfect Dark got a 9.8.

What in the Yankee Doodle Dandy has that got to do with anything? You established pretty clearly in your previous statement that you were referring to sales, in that they were phenomena made by fans, not by critics.


Perfect Dark finished in the Top 20 games on Nintendo 64 and if I substitute Golden Eye for Conker, it finished in the Top 3.  And the N64 saw many of the leading mature themed games of its time have a successful run on the console like Killer Instinct, Resident Evil, and though it came out towards the end of the console's lifespan explaining its sales, Conker did about as well on N64 as most of the core games on Wii with a much smaller user base.  Also, if you look at the Top 20 Nintendo 64 games, except for the Pokemon Stadium and Mario Party games, N64's Top 20 is stocked with mainly core games.  There's no real reason to surmise from that that N64 gamers were mainly looking for a family oriented console that would have casual gaming be its main focus.



EdHieron said:
RolStoppable said:

A family console.

I have to take issue with the "Family Console" thing what Nintendo fans wanted was a console that was chock full of as many core games as the NES and SNES for the past two gens, they wanted Final Fantasy back as an exclusive on their console, and I really doubt the fanbase that made the original "Conker's Bad Fur Day" and "Perfect Dark" two of the biggest games of their time were really that concerned with having a family console.  I would say there would only be a handful of Nintendo fans saying after the success of the Super Nintendo and  prior to the success of the Wii as a family console that what they most wanted in Wii was a family console.

You always seem to be speaking of a subset of Nintendo fans who behave whichever way is convenient for your strawman arguments. As Khuutra already pointed out, your CBFD and PD claim is nonsense.

With Nintendo's sales going up with the Wii it's pretty clear that Nintendo did more things right with the Wii than with the GameCube. This includes sales of Nintendo's core IPs. Pretty much everything sold more than on the GameCube, so it's preposterous to argue that the Wii is less of a gamer console than the GameCube.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

A Biased Review Reloaded / Open Your Eyes / Switch Shipments

EdHieron said:
Khuutra said:
EdHieron said:

Conker's Bad Fur Day got a 9.9 from IGN and Perfect Dark got a 9.8.

What in the Yankee Doodle Dandy has that got to do with anything? You established pretty clearly in your previous statement that you were referring to sales, in that they were phenomena made by fans, not by critics.


Perfect Dark finished in the Top 20 games on Nintendo 64 and if I substitute Golden Eye for Conker, it finished in the Top 3.  And the N64 saw many of the leading mature themed games of its time have a successful run on the console like Killer Instinct, Resident Evil, and though it came out towards the end of the console's lifespan explaining its sales, Conker did about as well on N64 as most of the core games on Wii with a much smaller user base.  Also, if you look at the Top 20 Nintendo 64 games, except for the Pokemon Stadium and Mario Party games, N64's Top 20 is stocked with mainly core games.  There's no real reason to surmise from that that N64 gamers were mainly looking for a family oriented console that would have casual gaming be its main focus.

The prime theme of the N64 was that the "real" Nintendo audience continued to decline just as it did after the SNES, then Nintendo was caught, software-wise, mid-transition with the GameCube, creating a device that pleased no-one from the N64 epoch but also failed to draw back the old Nintendo fans. Wii succeeded in re-inspiring the lapsed gamers whom Nintendo had been ignoring since the NES era.



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RolStoppable said:
EdHieron said:
RolStoppable said:

A family console.

I have to take issue with the "Family Console" thing what Nintendo fans wanted was a console that was chock full of as many core games as the NES and SNES for the past two gens, they wanted Final Fantasy back as an exclusive on their console, and I really doubt the fanbase that made the original "Conker's Bad Fur Day" and "Perfect Dark" two of the biggest games of their time were really that concerned with having a family console.  I would say there would only be a handful of Nintendo fans saying after the success of the Super Nintendo and  prior to the success of the Wii as a family console that what they most wanted in Wii was a family console.

You always seem to be speaking of a subset of Nintendo fans who behave whichever way is convenient for your strawman arguments. As Khuutra already pointed out, your CBFD and PD claim is nonsense.

With Nintendo's sales going up with the Wii it's pretty clear that Nintendo did more things right with the Wii than with the GameCube. This includes sales of Nintendo's core IPs. Pretty much everything sold more than on the GameCube, so it's preposterous to argue that the Wii is less of a gamer console than the GameCube.


Except for the fact that its Top Ten is dominated by the likes of Wii Sports, Wii Sports Resort, Wii Play, Wii Fit, and Wii Fit Plus.



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Mr Khan said:
EdHieron said:
Khuutra said:
EdHieron said:
 

Conker's Bad Fur Day got a 9.9 from IGN and Perfect Dark got a 9.8.

What in the Yankee Doodle Dandy has that got to do with anything? You established pretty clearly in your previous statement that you were referring to sales, in that they were phenomena made by fans, not by critics.


Perfect Dark finished in the Top 20 games on Nintendo 64 and if I substitute Golden Eye for Conker, it finished in the Top 3.  And the N64 saw many of the leading mature themed games of its time have a successful run on the console like Killer Instinct, Resident Evil, and though it came out towards the end of the console's lifespan explaining its sales, Conker did about as well on N64 as most of the core games on Wii with a much smaller user base.  Also, if you look at the Top 20 Nintendo 64 games, except for the Pokemon Stadium and Mario Party games, N64's Top 20 is stocked with mainly core games.  There's no real reason to surmise from that that N64 gamers were mainly looking for a family oriented console that would have casual gaming be its main focus.

The prime theme of the N64 was that the "real" Nintendo audience continued to decline just as it did after the SNES, then Nintendo was caught, software-wise, mid-transition with the GameCube, creating a device that pleased no-one from the N64 epoch but also failed to draw back the old Nintendo fans. Wii succeeded in re-inspiring the lapsed gamers whom Nintendo had been ignoring since the NES era.


But I doubt that they drew back many of the gamers that followed Square and Final Fantasy to the Playstation from the Super Nintendo.



EdHieron said:
RolStoppable said:
EdHieron said:
RolStoppable said:

A family console.

I have to take issue with the "Family Console" thing what Nintendo fans wanted was a console that was chock full of as many core games as the NES and SNES for the past two gens, they wanted Final Fantasy back as an exclusive on their console, and I really doubt the fanbase that made the original "Conker's Bad Fur Day" and "Perfect Dark" two of the biggest games of their time were really that concerned with having a family console.  I would say there would only be a handful of Nintendo fans saying after the success of the Super Nintendo and  prior to the success of the Wii as a family console that what they most wanted in Wii was a family console.

You always seem to be speaking of a subset of Nintendo fans who behave whichever way is convenient for your strawman arguments. As Khuutra already pointed out, your CBFD and PD claim is nonsense.

With Nintendo's sales going up with the Wii it's pretty clear that Nintendo did more things right with the Wii than with the GameCube. This includes sales of Nintendo's core IPs. Pretty much everything sold more than on the GameCube, so it's preposterous to argue that the Wii is less of a gamer console than the GameCube.


Except for the fact that its Top Ten is dominated by the likes of Wii Sports, Wii Sports Resort, Wii Play, Wii Fit, and Wii Fit Plus.

You dodged Rol's point completely. 3D Mario sold better, Smash Bros sold better, Wii version of Twilight Princess sold better and Skyward Sword matches Wind Waker, Metroid Prime 3 pegged between Prime and Prime 2, Resident Evil 4 did better, Mario Kart did about 5x better, Radiant Dawn was the best-selling Fire Emblem game for Western sales



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

EdHieron said:

Except for the fact that its Top Ten is dominated by the likes of Wii Sports, Wii Sports Resort, Wii Play, Wii Fit, and Wii Fit Plus.

I have no problem with Nintendo games being the bestselling games on a Nintendo system. What exactly is the problem with Wii Sports anyway?

When you look at the million sellers list of the 360 and PS3 you will find plenty of FIFA and Madden games.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

A Biased Review Reloaded / Open Your Eyes / Switch Shipments


Someone gotta look up "jealousy" in an urban dictionary and link that page to this thread.


Nintendo played their cards right, allowing them to steal a great part of Sony's former casual userbase. It really is that simple.



Mr Khan said:
EdHieron said:
RolStoppable said:
EdHieron said:
RolStoppable said:

A family console.

I have to take issue with the "Family Console" thing what Nintendo fans wanted was a console that was chock full of as many core games as the NES and SNES for the past two gens, they wanted Final Fantasy back as an exclusive on their console, and I really doubt the fanbase that made the original "Conker's Bad Fur Day" and "Perfect Dark" two of the biggest games of their time were really that concerned with having a family console.  I would say there would only be a handful of Nintendo fans saying after the success of the Super Nintendo and  prior to the success of the Wii as a family console that what they most wanted in Wii was a family console.

You always seem to be speaking of a subset of Nintendo fans who behave whichever way is convenient for your strawman arguments. As Khuutra already pointed out, your CBFD and PD claim is nonsense.

With Nintendo's sales going up with the Wii it's pretty clear that Nintendo did more things right with the Wii than with the GameCube. This includes sales of Nintendo's core IPs. Pretty much everything sold more than on the GameCube, so it's preposterous to argue that the Wii is less of a gamer console than the GameCube.


Except for the fact that its Top Ten is dominated by the likes of Wii Sports, Wii Sports Resort, Wii Play, Wii Fit, and Wii Fit Plus.

You dodged Rol's point completely. 3D Mario sold better, Smash Bros sold better, Wii version of Twilight Princess sold better and Skyward Sword matches Wind Waker, Metroid Prime 3 pegged between Prime and Prime 2, Resident Evil 4 did better, Mario Kart did about 5x better, Radiant Dawn was the best-selling Fire Emblem game for Western sales


When you look at Nintendo 64 versus Wii, you see that Mario Kart Wii a Casual fun kids game did better on Wii, there wasn't a New Super Mario Bros. Wii type game on N64 to compare the two, the third iteration of Super Smash Bros. did better on Wii than the first one which came out late in the N64's lifespan.

However, you also see that  on N64 Super Mario 64 did better than Super Mario Galaxy and much better than Super Mario Galay 2, a core shooter like Golden Eye did much better than any core shooter on Wii.  The Legend of Zelda:  Ocarina of Time did better than Twilight Princess and much better than Skyward Sword, and with the Wii having a tremendously larger user base Donkey Kong Returns one of the few critic's darlings on Wii this gen just did a little bit better than Rare's Donkey Kong 64 which wasn't even one of the most heralded games by the critics of its time in comparison to other Rare titles .

And when you compare the list of the highest rated games on N64 the top rated N64 games tend to  have amuch stronger correlation in comparison to the top selling games on N64 than the highest rated games on Wii do to the top selling games on Wii.

In short, the N64 was much more of a gamer's console than Wii.