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Will Wii U get better 3rd party support than Wii?

Yes, much better 24 27.91%
 
Yes, slightly better 37 43.02%
 
About the same support 14 16.28%
 
No, slightly worse 2 2.33%
 
No, much worse 5 5.81%
 
See results 3 3.49%
 
Total:85
Player1x3 on 16 June 2012
NintendoPie said:
BasilZero said:

Technology changes year by year, the proof is in the games that came out this year and the ones that came out years ago in the beginning of the generation.

Look back at all the older generations of the gaming industry, the leap from Nintendo 64-PSX graphics to PS2-GCN-Xbox, that was a pretty huge leap, and from that generation to the current as well.

Pretty sure the next generation is gonna be bigger as well.

Then you are also recognizing that Wii U will indeed be more powerful than PS3. In turn saying that Wii U will be near as powerful as the other next-gen Consoles. 


This is just getting sad, and i don't mean to attack anyone...but seriously ???



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Jay520 on 16 June 2012

Every wondered why Nintendo doesn't just make one realistic PS360 type games just to prove a point to third-parties?



oniyide on 16 June 2012
Ostro said:
oniyide said:
Ostro said:
Well, he's right. Until N64 "hardcore gamers" were on Nintendo's side, playing the hell out of any game, easily breaking the 1000 hours playtime and breaking records and highscores.
Why shouldn't the Wii not have hardcore gamers? They may not be the same as in the past but there are still people who play a lot. And by a lot I mean breaking the 1000 hours again. I know lots of those people, mainly those who are still around and started with N64 in the highscore scene.

Nintendo actually never changed. Just the people and former fans.
Take a look at the boxes of the old consoles. They were all about family, multiplayer, etc.
Wii also is.
You could argue games became easier. But saying there are no hardcore gamers on Wii (not necessarily the same as in the past) is just another lame statement using cool words.

yep, because no one logs in that much hours on any other type of console. THere are no local MP games on the other consoles. Please.

Reggie misses the point with his first statement it doesnt matter how much hours one logs in. YOu could log that much in solitaire. 

Its about the games, which WII missed alot of, but they seem to be fixing that


Haha, yeah, "oh my god, a pro post, gotta blame as fanboy blabla and tell that the other consoles are AT LEAST as cool"

 

You are just using "core" and "casual" like every cool web-zine. Why is "hardcore" not about playtime? Oh "please".

What is core? Spending 70 million $ for development? Guns? Having started playing on SNES? Or maybe PS2, the pure core machine (not)? What is hardcore when spending TONS of time playing videogames is not? "Please". As if playing CoD or any other "AAA" title - that is funnily as successful as "casual" games and played by a lot of "casuals" - five hours a day is any more core.

 


ive seen you've missed the point, but im not surprised. Playing games for hours on end is hardcore, i never said it wasnt. I just simply said that not something that is only done on Ninty systems. But that was the problem. THe problem was they werent getting alot of games that ironically enough, people do spend hours playing (Skyrim being one of them). Which Reggie himself said is a problem which they are taking care off.

Im not going to respond to your 2nd rant paragraph, because it had nothing to do with what i was getting at anyway



oniyide on 16 June 2012
Mr Khan said:
NightDragon83 said:
Mr Khan said:
NightDragon83 said:
Nintendo fans: We don't need no stinking 3rd party games, we've got the best 1st party games out there!

Nintendo fans 2 seconds later: Why aren't 3rd parties supporting Nintendo consoles as much as the others?

Why is a good question, and one that no-one has answered to any satisfaction. No, Nintendo doesn't need them, but it would be good if they had them.

If the Wii U can't get GTA, might as well stick a fork in it, because it's done as far as the hardcore gamers go.

Right, and 2K/Rockstar would be at fault for that, because it then means they lose a viable platform to put games on for the next five years, or they could invest in the ground floor, still make money now, with the opportunity to make more money later.

Again, the question is not answered to satisfaction, except that third parties are dumb, petty, and hateful.

The answer is simple... because major 3rd party games don't sell nearly as well on Nintendo systems, mainly because the Nintendo audience primarily cares about Nintendo games above everything else, and the fact that their current audience is made up of many expanded / casual gamers that don't care for graphics intensive, mature, and/or competitive online multiplayer games like the GTA's, COD's, Mass Effects and Assassin's Creeds of the world in the first place.

Take this example from last gen:  RE4, probably the biggest 3rd party exclusive on the GC and one of the best looking games from last gen period, barely sold a million copies in the west and less than 2m worldwide lifetime.  It was later ported to the PS2 with an inferior looking version but with extra gameplay features and options... and it outsold the GC version by more than 2-1 according to the data here on VGC.

Hell, the enhanced Wii Edition sold better than the GC version, and was one of only a few AAA hardcore games released during the Wii's lifespan.  So what are 3rd parties supposed to do when they know that releasing mature games on a Nintendo system, especially today, runs a huge risk and might not be worth it to them?  Take-Two for example knows that most of the people who are going to get a game like GTA are going to do so on consoles like PS360, or the PC.  Nobody interested in this game is going to buy a Wii U for the purpopse of playing GTA.

Yes, but if it's actually a game worth buying, Wii U owners might buy it. RE4 is a bad example, partly because they indeed chose to make it exclusive, and released it when the damage due to lack of third party games on GameCube was already done. As a multiplat, that's still a million more copies than they would have sold if they had made it PS2 exclusive, and that's the core argument here. People say "why do they still bother with Call of Duty on Wii? It's only a million copies versus ten million a piece on PS360," because that's a million copies that they wouldn't have sold otherwise. Once you make that first bridge to a platform, that's most of your future porting costs. If GTAV sold 1.5 million on Wii U, only, then it would still be more than worth it as both a present investment ($$) and as a future one.

Third party games not selling nearly as well on Nintendo consoles is because 3rd parties usually (and RE4 is no exception here, because of how quickly they announced that the PS2 version would have more features) make the Nintendo-console version the bitch version. Madden NFL All Play, insanely feature-stripped Call of Duties, a version of Rock Band without the ability to download songs or do anything but quickplay. The games come late and without options, and so they are scorned, rightfully, because they are the inferior versions, and so people who really want the game buy it elsewhere and people who are only mildly interested just skip it altogether. If you put real effort in (and the game isn't insanely niche to start with, or remove aspects of the game that made the series famous in the first place, a la GTA: Chinatown Wars), then you get results, this is a constant across all platforms and Nintendo platforms are no exception

Again: the blame falls on 3rd party shoulders, so where's the good answer for "why?"

Its not 3rd party's fault that Ninty decided to put out a system that was so much weaker than the other two. The games are inferior for WIi because it is an infeior system(power wise), fact.  The more power you have the more you can do, fact.



creampie on 16 June 2012

You are suggesting that games are better just cause they look better?
thats funny because i find that most top PS2 games are better than the best PS3 games...



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Red4ADevil on 16 June 2012

LOL I guess his body wasn't ready for the chafing.



Oromashu on 16 June 2012

It's pretty hardcore how people can be about the word "hardcore."



Zero Escape: Virtue's Last Reward = best game ever made.

oniyide on 16 June 2012
creampie said:
You are suggesting that games are better just cause they look better?
thats funny because i find that most top PS2 games are better than the best PS3 games...


Again you are pulling nonsense out of thin air, nobody said anything about visuals. Its all about capalabity, draw distance, physics, AI, objects on screen, lagging, etc. Let me make it even simpler. JustCause2, GTA4, Fallout, Skyrim are games that cant run on the Wii. As for what you find, dont really care especially since you dont even have a PS3 so you probaly wouldnt know what you're talking about anyway



lilbroex on 16 June 2012
radishhead said:
The only issue now is how will the WiiU compare to the NextBox and PS4


No it isn't. That is  only an issue for Sony and Microsoft fanboys who refuse to see the gains made by the Wii U.



creampie on 16 June 2012

I ve played Killzone 3, Crysys 2, Wolfestein, GTA 4, GT5, Tekken 6, Soul Calibur 4, AC 2, Mass effect 2 for hours...i have friends you know....
Crappy games most of them, GT3, Tekken 5, GTA san andreas, SOul Calibur 2, and the rest of the Ps2 and GC classics are much better games imo, unless you are a guy that cares about visual s so much...

"nobody said anything about visuals. Its all about capalabity, draw distance, physics, AI, objects on screen, lagging, etc"

wow, you contradict yourself in the same sentence?