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Will Wii U get better 3rd party support than Wii?

Yes, much better 24 27.91%
 
Yes, slightly better 37 43.02%
 
About the same support 14 16.28%
 
No, slightly worse 2 2.33%
 
No, much worse 5 5.81%
 
See results 3 3.49%
 
Total:85
Ostro said:
Well, he's right. Until N64 "hardcore gamers" were on Nintendo's side, playing the hell out of any game, easily breaking the 1000 hours playtime and breaking records and highscores.
Why shouldn't the Wii not have hardcore gamers? They may not be the same as in the past but there are still people who play a lot. And by a lot I mean breaking the 1000 hours again. I know lots of those people, mainly those who are still around and started with N64 in the highscore scene.

Nintendo actually never changed. Just the people and former fans.
Take a look at the boxes of the old consoles. They were all about family, multiplayer, etc.
Wii also is.
You could argue games became easier. But saying there are no hardcore gamers on Wii (not necessarily the same as in the past) is just another lame statement using cool words.

I totally have to agree. I am a so called HARDCORE GAMER. I started as a little kid with a NES my 8 year older sister got lol. We then had a  SNES and bought a N64, Cube Wii  and all sorts of Nintendo handhelds.  (I also own a PS2 PS3 PSP and xbox 360 but because of the really good games not the COD crap etc)

I as a long time Nintendo owner I dont see Nintendo doing any worse than before. Sure they added stuff like the so called casual games Wii sports etc. but we still get Metroid Mario Zelda Kirby etc.  So they actually gave us more than before. 

The lack of third party is there sure but when I see todays third party games (of which 90% are  cash cows etc) I dont really miss them. And the third party games Wii gets like Muramasa etc are enough for me.

People complaining about the lack of Call of Duty or Uncharted or whatever style games on Nintendo consoles have no idea. CALL OF DUTY and UNCHARTED are MAINSTREAM GAMES.  Like TRANSFORMERS is a MAINSTREAM MOVIE.   Mario is HARDCORE because you cant beat it without dying and it takes ages to complete the game.  Call of Duty  can be beaten within a few hours and is never so hard that you really die.
Thats because todays mainstream kiddos  start to cry when a game is to hard.
And just because in the seperate multiplayer part there isalways one person thatsbetter than me doesnt make COD HARDCORE because the challenge there is not because of the game but because of the player. I can also find people that can  fart louder than me anytime so does this make farting hardcore? NO!

For whatever reason the term HARDCORE shifted from being hardcore to being MAINSTREAM and appealing to the 99%. The  uniform drones out there. People that still buy stuff just because they see stupid commercials of it.

Just as example. Not that I'm an emo but  today's EMOs are no emos. They have no real connection to the term EMOTIONAL as did the original emos.  And Goths have also nothing to do with the Gothic architecture etc.  Its a simple shift in meaning as with National Socialism or Communism. The idea of both was great (being social and fair is always good)  but all the governments so far were stupid and now those 2 political systems are considered BAD.



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On the tech issue:

The latest leaked tech report for 720 says that it will be 6 to 8 times more power than the 360 for a very reasonable price of $299.00. Considering the fact that Wii U is only 1.5 times more powerful than 360 and PS3, then I would say that a console that is 6 to 8 times more powerful than 360 is quite a leap above one that is only 1.5 times more powerful than 360.



1 or 2 years after Nextbox and PS4 you wont see 3rd party games on Wii U cause it wont be able to run them



EdHieron said:
"We don't need no stinking western 3rd party games, we've got the best 1st party games out there!"

It might be the Nintedo fans belief, but there's no evidence to support it.
Sony's made 14 games with a 9 or better aggregate review score on Metacritic this gen, Microsoft's made 11, and Nintendo's made 7.


It's all subjective, but if your using metacritic, surely I could just counter by using the IMO superior gamerankings (Uncharted 2 and LBP are the only 7th gen Sony 1st or 2nd party game on the first page of their all time best, compared to more from Nintendo) or perhaps Famitsu (PS3, PSP and PSV have had no 1st party perfect scores, but Wii, DS and 3DS have 3, 2 and 1 respectively).

But anyway, it's all subjective.




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MrT-Tar said:
EdHieron said:
"We don't need no stinking western 3rd party games, we've got the best 1st party games out there!"

It might be the Nintedo fans belief, but there's no evidence to support it.
Sony's made 14 games with a 9 or better aggregate review score on Metacritic this gen, Microsoft's made 11, and Nintendo's made 7.


It's all subjective, but if your using metacritic, surely I could just counter by using the IMO superior gamerankings (Uncharted 2 and LBP are the only 7th gen Sony 1st or 2nd party game on the first page of their all time best, compared to more from Nintendo) or perhaps Famitsu (PS3, PSP and PSV have had no 1st party perfect scores, but Wii, DS and 3DS have 3, 2 and 1 respectively).

But anyway, it's all subjective.


If you use Gamerankings, that's still 13 PS3 games made by ony with aggregate review scores of 9.0 or higher versus 8 made by Nintendo for Wii.



He chafes? Really?

Time to get that man some Gold Bond powder.



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If you compare
(480p Wii graphics vs 1080p UE3 graphics)-VS-(1080p UE3 graphics vs 1080p UE4 graphics)

i think the WiiU pushing the UE3 to its limits will be closer to the early UE4 games than the Wii was with Xbox/Ps3...



Chevinator123 said:
1 or 2 years after Nextbox and PS4 you wont see 3rd party games on Wii U cause it wont be able to run them


This. They will have to make special games, specialized for the Wii U because of the huge graphics handicap they will encounter.



creampie said:
If you compare
(480p Wii graphics vs 1080p UE3 graphics)-VS-(1080p UE3 graphics vs 1080p UE4 graphics)

i think the WiiU pushing the UE3 to its limits will be closer to the early UE4 games than the Wii was with Xbox/Ps3...


You're making an argument for why a console thats slightly more powerful than current consoles can coexist with next gen consoles. If you've seen the tech demos that is how a typical launch game is going to have to run for the PS4 and 720.