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Euphoria14 on 14 June 2012
thetonestarr said:

Turkish said:

Look at that bolded sentence, this is where you are wrong. It is ridicilous. Prove to me how we are charged 2 to 5 times more per GB then its worth? I'd rather pay 250 bucks for a 160GB PS3 then  a 250 bucks 8GB WiiU.

Btw fail, why did you give me an 3,5" internal hard drive? The WiiU doesnt support internal hard drives let alone 3,5" ones. It'll be external HDDs, good luck finding one at 60 dollaz.

It was $100 extra to get a 60GB instead of a 20GB. It was $100 to get an 80GB instead of 40GB, and $100 more to upgrade to 160GB, all the while when you could buy 750GB 2.5in HDDs for the same price. Right now they charge $50 extra to upgrade from a 160GB to 320GB, when that same price - once again - is vastly more than you can ever possibly be charged for the same thing.

And have you ever heard of external enclosures? They're fantastically magical devices that turn any internal harddrive into external - and many people already have one or can at least purchase one for less than $10! 


It $100 difference between the 20GB and 60GB was not just due to the HDD space, but also for the built in WiFi, Chrome fnishing and the built in multi-memory card reader.

The 80GB at the time had backwards compatibility with PS2 titles while the 40GB did not. The 80GB also had 4 USB slots while the 40GB had 2.

 

Now the difference between the 160GB and 320GB is the memory.

 



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thetonestarr on 14 June 2012
Euphoria14 said:
thetonestarr said:
Turkish said:
thetonestarr said:
Turkish said:
Araknie said:

It's a questione that i made myself before reading an article.

I'm quite disappointed to see that people think that hardcore goes with graphics and the also next-gen goes with graphics.

For me the WiiU is next-gen because introduces an old way of play, the GamePad, in a totally new way, the screen and the in build double screens.

This is next-gen because never before you could play a game with the TV on OFF, also you totally have a console that has every game on digital support, on retail copy and on digital support by retailers, that's pretty new too.

Next-gen means that the whole system works differently from the previous one, hardcore it's not a term for console also, not alone at least, you can only give that term by mentioning games that are not kids stuff or really easy even for a 3 to 7 years old.

That's what i always thinked about games, i made my opinion playing the SNES and now that the GamePad is coming, in such an innovation, that's what i will call next-gen also: innovation.

And now also a question: are you sick of people not understanding this or you are one of 'em?


Who would want to download WiiU games anyway? WiiU has only 8GB storage. With only 1 game your WiiU is full, and it has not to be games like Mass Effect 3 wich are 15GB.

 

The WiiU is next gen becoz Wii is current gen. But technology wise, Wii was not different from the GameCube, and WiiU has finally catched up to the current gen HD consoles.


How are you able to store games on your PS3? By paying a LOT extra to have a hard drive, correct? And without that HDD, your system has zero storage, yes? WiiU is going to give users the option of hard drive, allowing you to have 2x or even 3x as much space - because you can buy what you want from where you want - for the same price. I know exactly where I'll be able to throw down $60 and have a full terabyte of storage for my WiiU. Can you do that for your PS3?

8GB of storage space is just what the WiiU has without you doing that, and anybody who actually thinks that the 8GB is what the WiiU is limited to is, quite frankly, a complete idiot.


By a HDD that is standard in every SKU, we dont have to buy a seperate HDD and shelve extra money. The HDD is included in the pricetag of a PS3. Why should I have the option of a HDDless PS3? HDD should be standard. And we can always opt for a bigger 2,5" HDD whenever we feel like. That is an option to PS3.

 

Good luck finding a 1TB for 60 dollaz lolz


And if you calculate the difference in price between one model and the next, you find you pay the price of hundreds (if not thousands) of GB just to get a few dozen. Console makers rip us off regularly, charging drastically more for their specific HDDs than you'd pay if you got one on your own, and it's bullshit. No, hard drives being included should NOT be a standard - not if I'm going to be charged two to five times more per gigabyte than it's actually worth. You are 100% wrong. If your "option" is to be ripped off, then by all means, you can let them take advantage of you, and I will continue happily putting that money to a new game or three.

Also, done. No tax, free shipping, $64, in stock, new. Next?

Chimed in just to say that PS3 uses a standard 2.5" HDD. You can buy any 2.5" HDD from Newegg.com or anywhere else and pop it into the PS3.


Oh, I know. But the fact that they charge so much extra to do it for you is absurd, and how many people know you have that option?



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thetonestarr on 14 June 2012
Turkish said:
thetonestarr said:
Turkish said:
thetonestarr said:
Turkish said:
thetonestarr said:
Turkish said:
Araknie said:

It's a questione that i made myself before reading an article.

I'm quite disappointed to see that people think that hardcore goes with graphics and the also next-gen goes with graphics.

For me the WiiU is next-gen because introduces an old way of play, the GamePad, in a totally new way, the screen and the in build double screens.

This is next-gen because never before you could play a game with the TV on OFF, also you totally have a console that has every game on digital support, on retail copy and on digital support by retailers, that's pretty new too.

Next-gen means that the whole system works differently from the previous one, hardcore it's not a term for console also, not alone at least, you can only give that term by mentioning games that are not kids stuff or really easy even for a 3 to 7 years old.

That's what i always thinked about games, i made my opinion playing the SNES and now that the GamePad is coming, in such an innovation, that's what i will call next-gen also: innovation.

And now also a question: are you sick of people not understanding this or you are one of 'em?


Who would want to download WiiU games anyway? WiiU has only 8GB storage. With only 1 game your WiiU is full, and it has not to be games like Mass Effect 3 wich are 15GB.

 

The WiiU is next gen becoz Wii is current gen. But technology wise, Wii was not different from the GameCube, and WiiU has finally catched up to the current gen HD consoles.


How are you able to store games on your PS3? By paying a LOT extra to have a hard drive, correct? And without that HDD, your system has zero storage, yes? WiiU is going to give users the option of hard drive, allowing you to have 2x or even 3x as much space - because you can buy what you want from where you want - for the same price. I know exactly where I'll be able to throw down $60 and have a full terabyte of storage for my WiiU. Can you do that for your PS3?

8GB of storage space is just what the WiiU has without you doing that, and anybody who actually thinks that the 8GB is what the WiiU is limited to is, quite frankly, a complete idiot.


By a HDD that is standard in every SKU, we dont have to buy a seperate HDD and shelve extra money. The HDD is included in the pricetag of a PS3. Why should I have the option of a HDDless PS3? HDD should be standard. And we can always opt for a bigger 2,5" HDD whenever we feel like. That is an option to PS3.

 

Good luck finding a 1TB for 60 dollaz lolz


And if you calculate the difference in price between one model and the next, you find you pay the price of hundreds (if not thousands) of GB just to get a few dozen. Console makers rip us off regularly, charging drastically more for their specific HDDs than you'd pay if you got one on your own, and it's bullshit. No, hard drives being included should NOT be a standard - not if I'm going to be charged two to five times more per gigabyte than it's actually worth. You are 100% wrong. If your "option" is to be ripped off, then by all means, you can let them take advantage of you, and I will continue happily putting that money to a new game or three.

Also, done. No tax, free shipping, $64, in stock, new. Next?


Look at that bolded sentence, this is where you are wrong. It is ridicilous. Prove to me how we are charged 2 to 5 times more per GB then its worth? I'd rather pay 250 bucks for a 160GB PS3 then  a 250 bucks 8GB WiiU.

Btw fail, why did you give me an 3,5" internal hard drive? The WiiU doesnt support internal hard drives let alone 3,5" ones. It'll be external HDDs, good luck finding one at 60 dollaz.

It was $100 extra to get a 60GB instead of a 20GB. It was $100 to get an 80GB instead of 40GB, and $100 more to upgrade to 160GB, all the while when you could buy 750GB 2.5in HDDs for the same price. Right now they charge $50 extra to upgrade from a 160GB to 320GB, when that same price - once again - is vastly more than you can ever possibly be charged for the same thing.

And have you ever heard of external enclosures? They're fantastically magical devices that turn any internal harddrive into external - and many people already have one or can at least purchase one for less than $10! 

 

You said its 2 to 5 times more expensive, so show me how the HDD in the 160GB model is 2 to 5 times more expensive then its worth? Are you saying that a HDDless PS3 would be 150bucks?

Now you're going to external enclosures? Lol, okay, find me an external enclosure that you'll plaster your HDD in. Lets see the total cost.

I've already dealt with your first thing pretty thoroughly. I am not going to deal with that anymore because you're grasping at every last straw you can now.

As for the enclosure, once again, http://www.amazon.com/3-5-IDE-HDD-Enclosure-Black/dp/B0018NEQFI/ref=sr_1_4?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1339678622&sr=1-4&keywords=3.5+hdd+enclosure .



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babuks on 14 June 2012
Araknie said:

It's a questione that i made myself before reading an article.

I'm quite disappointed to see that people think that hardcore goes with graphics and the also next-gen goes with graphics.

For me the WiiU is next-gen because introduces an old way of play, the GamePad, in a totally new way, the screen and the in build double screens.

This is next-gen because never before you could play a game with the TV on OFF, also you totally have a console that has every game on digital support, on retail copy and on digital support by retailers, that's pretty new too.

Next-gen means that the whole system works differently from the previous one, hardcore it's not a term for console also, not alone at least, you can only give that term by mentioning games that are not kids stuff or really easy even for a 3 to 7 years old.

That's what i always thinked about games, i made my opinion playing the SNES and now that the GamePad is coming, in such an innovation, that's what i will call next-gen also: innovation.

And now also a question: are you sick of people not understanding this or you are one of 'em?


Graphics means many things. A new generation starts by showing graphical leap from the previous gen along with few tweaks here and there. What is the difference between PS2 and PS3, between Xbox and Xbox360 other than graphical leap and some extra options like blu ray, HDDVD, build-in storage etc. So, graphics is the best thing to describe how new gen compares with the previous gen. 

Playing games with TV off is not new thing, PSP could stream in the next gen of PS3 games. WiiU doing nothing next gen here. PSV I suppose has all the games in digital format too along with physical copy. So, it's new but nothing next gen. 

I fail to see how you say the new gamepad is an innovation and we had a debate in some topic here on vgchartz. It just does streaming which PSP and PSV is capable of PS3 games. 

You could have talked about online gameplay in which I think Nintendo has some catching up to do, and 3rd party support in which Nintendo is lacking. You need more than what you showed at 2 E3 conferences to make me believe that the WiiU is next gen.



Euphoria14 on 14 June 2012

thetonestarr said:

Oh, I know. But the fact that they charge so much extra to do it for you is absurd, and how many people know you have that option?

Not sure really, but I quoted you another post to explain why there was a $100 price difference between models and up until now with the 160GB and 320GB there was much more difference to them than just HDD size.



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thetonestarr on 14 June 2012
Euphoria14 said:

thetonestarr said:

Oh, I know. But the fact that they charge so much extra to do it for you is absurd, and how many people know you have that option?

Not sure really, but I quoted you another post to explain why there was a $100 price difference between models and up until now with the 160GB and 320GB there was much more difference to them than just HDD size.


Yeah, I just saw that. But given that you're a more reasonable person, I think I can discuss that more straightforward with you.

USB Wifi dongles can be purchased for less than $15 at a plethora of stores. Given that a dongle requires much more hardware than simply a wifi chip (like what they had to include to give PS3 the wifi) and drivers compatible with a variety of systems, the value of the chip itself couldn't be more than $10 max. $10 + 40GB SHOULD have cost $25-$40 max.

The backwards compatibility in the second model was purely software. That software BCC was probably based vastly on an already-existing emulator that they took from the Internet (and if they didn't, why the hell not? And even so, so many emulators exist for free, so you know they don't cost much to code and put out), so that's an inconsequential difference entirely.

RAM is a little more uncertain, but still not worth the difference when I recently bought 16GB RAM for $100 for my friend's PC I built. Divide that $100 by 16 and that was $6.25 per GB. Of DDR3 1666 gaming-spec RAM.



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GameAnalyser on 14 June 2012

I've made myself content to this viewpoint that Nintendo's Wii U is in its own generation.



lilbroex on 14 June 2012

The Wii U is next because it is a new console that is using tech that has not yet been used in console gaming to date and it following the general new console release schedule. Nothing more is needed.



Euphoria14 on 14 June 2012
thetonestarr said:
Euphoria14 said:

thetonestarr said:

Oh, I know. But the fact that they charge so much extra to do it for you is absurd, and how many people know you have that option?

Not sure really, but I quoted you another post to explain why there was a $100 price difference between models and up until now with the 160GB and 320GB there was much more difference to them than just HDD size.


Yeah, I just saw that. But given that you're a more reasonable person, I think I can discuss that more straightforward with you.

USB Wifi dongles can be purchased for less than $15 at a plethora of stores. Given that a dongle requires much more hardware than simply a wifi chip (like what they had to include to give PS3 the wifi) and drivers compatible with a variety of systems, the value of the chip itself couldn't be more than $10 max. $10 + 40GB SHOULD have cost $25-$40 max.

The backwards compatibility in the second model was purely software. That software BCC was probably based vastly on an already-existing emulator that they took from the Internet (and if they didn't, why the hell not? And even so, so many emulators exist for free, so you know they don't cost much to code and put out), so that's an inconsequential difference entirely.

RAM is a little more uncertain, but still not worth the difference when I recently bought 16GB RAM for $100 for my friend's PC I built. Divide that $100 by 16 and that was $6.25 per GB. Of DDR3 1666 gaming-spec RAM.


I think the PS3 BOM had the WiFi listed as $8, so yeah, the cost was minimal. So even with the memcard reader and/or the additional USB ports you are only looking at maybe another $15 or so in cost. 

Other than that, the 60GB PS3 contained the PS2 CPU and GPU in it, which is why it has better B/C than the 80GB. The 80GB only contained the PS2 GPU and the CPU was emulated through software. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think this is prety accurate from what I can recall.



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Currently playing:

Final Fantasy VI (iOS), Final Fantasy: Record Keeper (iOS) & Dragon Quest V (iOS)     

    

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Turkish on 14 June 2012
thetonestarr said:
Turkish said:
thetonestarr said:
Turkish said:
thetonestarr said:
Turkish said:
thetonestarr said:
Turkish said:
Araknie said:

It's a questione that i made myself before reading an article.

I'm quite disappointed to see that people think that hardcore goes with graphics and the also next-gen goes with graphics.

For me the WiiU is next-gen because introduces an old way of play, the GamePad, in a totally new way, the screen and the in build double screens.

This is next-gen because never before you could play a game with the TV on OFF, also you totally have a console that has every game on digital support, on retail copy and on digital support by retailers, that's pretty new too.

Next-gen means that the whole system works differently from the previous one, hardcore it's not a term for console also, not alone at least, you can only give that term by mentioning games that are not kids stuff or really easy even for a 3 to 7 years old.

That's what i always thinked about games, i made my opinion playing the SNES and now that the GamePad is coming, in such an innovation, that's what i will call next-gen also: innovation.

And now also a question: are you sick of people not understanding this or you are one of 'em?


Who would want to download WiiU games anyway? WiiU has only 8GB storage. With only 1 game your WiiU is full, and it has not to be games like Mass Effect 3 wich are 15GB.

 

The WiiU is next gen becoz Wii is current gen. But technology wise, Wii was not different from the GameCube, and WiiU has finally catched up to the current gen HD consoles.


How are you able to store games on your PS3? By paying a LOT extra to have a hard drive, correct? And without that HDD, your system has zero storage, yes? WiiU is going to give users the option of hard drive, allowing you to have 2x or even 3x as much space - because you can buy what you want from where you want - for the same price. I know exactly where I'll be able to throw down $60 and have a full terabyte of storage for my WiiU. Can you do that for your PS3?

8GB of storage space is just what the WiiU has without you doing that, and anybody who actually thinks that the 8GB is what the WiiU is limited to is, quite frankly, a complete idiot.


By a HDD that is standard in every SKU, we dont have to buy a seperate HDD and shelve extra money. The HDD is included in the pricetag of a PS3. Why should I have the option of a HDDless PS3? HDD should be standard. And we can always opt for a bigger 2,5" HDD whenever we feel like. That is an option to PS3.

 

Good luck finding a 1TB for 60 dollaz lolz


And if you calculate the difference in price between one model and the next, you find you pay the price of hundreds (if not thousands) of GB just to get a few dozen. Console makers rip us off regularly, charging drastically more for their specific HDDs than you'd pay if you got one on your own, and it's bullshit. No, hard drives being included should NOT be a standard - not if I'm going to be charged two to five times more per gigabyte than it's actually worth. You are 100% wrong. If your "option" is to be ripped off, then by all means, you can let them take advantage of you, and I will continue happily putting that money to a new game or three.

Also, done. No tax, free shipping, $64, in stock, new. Next?


Look at that bolded sentence, this is where you are wrong. It is ridicilous. Prove to me how we are charged 2 to 5 times more per GB then its worth? I'd rather pay 250 bucks for a 160GB PS3 then  a 250 bucks 8GB WiiU.

Btw fail, why did you give me an 3,5" internal hard drive? The WiiU doesnt support internal hard drives let alone 3,5" ones. It'll be external HDDs, good luck finding one at 60 dollaz.

It was $100 extra to get a 60GB instead of a 20GB. It was $100 to get an 80GB instead of 40GB, and $100 more to upgrade to 160GB, all the while when you could buy 750GB 2.5in HDDs for the same price. Right now they charge $50 extra to upgrade from a 160GB to 320GB, when that same price - once again - is vastly more than you can ever possibly be charged for the same thing.

And have you ever heard of external enclosures? They're fantastically magical devices that turn any internal harddrive into external - and many people already have one or can at least purchase one for less than $10! 

 

You said its 2 to 5 times more expensive, so show me how the HDD in the 160GB model is 2 to 5 times more expensive then its worth? Are you saying that a HDDless PS3 would be 150bucks?

Now you're going to external enclosures? Lol, okay, find me an external enclosure that you'll plaster your HDD in. Lets see the total cost.

I've already dealt with your first thing pretty thoroughly. I am not going to deal with that anymore because you're grasping at every last straw you can now.

As for the enclosure, once again, http://www.amazon.com/3-5-IDE-HDD-Enclosure-Black/dp/B0018NEQFI/ref=sr_1_4?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1339678622&sr=1-4&keywords=3.5+hdd+enclosure .


Thats really an awful solution for 70 bucks extra, the hard drive even has its own power supply.