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maxnyc on 04 June 2012
badgenome said:
maxnyc said:

Sony wouldn't even be in the videogame sector if it wasn't for Nintendo. They had a partnership which fell through, but Sony saw what nintendo was doing and copied it. Then later microsoft saw what they were both doing and copied that (microsoft is basically built on imitations of other companies work)

They copied Nintendo only better because they used CDs and not archaic ass cartridges, which is why all the third parties came to their yard. The first successful CD-based console! Innovation!


I'll definitely give Sony credit for that, first successful CD-based console. Sony did have (back in their glory days) solid r&d, usually geared towards media & consumer electronics (not gaming). Sony didn't develop CD, DVD, or blu-ray with gaming in mind, although it wasn't a bad idea to use them for gaming. But to be honest, most of what Sony did in the gaming sector was a rip off of what nintendo did, as outlined in Aielyn's post.



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happydolphin on 04 June 2012
maxnyc said:
badgenome said:

They copied Nintendo only better because they used CDs and not archaic ass cartridges, which is why all the third parties came to their yard. The first successful CD-based console! Innovation!


I'll definitely give Sony credit for that, first CD-based console. Sony did have (back in their glory days) solid r&d, usually geared towards media & consumer electronics (not gaming). Sony didn't develop CD, DVD, or blu-ray with gaming in mind, although it wasn't a bad idea to use them for gaming. But to be honest, most of what Sony did in the gaming sector was a rip off of what nintendo did, as outlined in Aielyn's post.

Badge, this one's for you

(max, Sony didn't release the first CD-enabled system. That goes to the Saturn, even arguable to the non-leading 3DO, or even to the Sega CD and other such add-ons)



Aielyn on 04 June 2012
badgenome said:
Aielyn said:

Sega's use of a screen in a gaming controller isn't an innovation because the Dreamcast flopped.

The Dreamcast wasn't a flop. The Saturn was a flop, which in turn made Sega flop. The Dreamcast didn't fail Sega, Sega failed the Dreamcast. But Sega only failed the Dreamcast because we failed Sega. You. Me. Everyone. We are all flops.


I didn't say that the Dreamcast *was* a flop, I said that it flopped. It flopped because Sega flopped, not because of anything specific about the system, but the point stands that the Dreamcast flopped.

Flopped.

Sorry, I felt like it needed just one more of that word in there.



maxnyc on 04 June 2012
endimion said:
richardhutnik said:
endimion said:
lol at everyone wanking on nintendo r&d ms blows about any software company out of the water when it comes to r&d they have stuff in the pipeline for the next 20 years.... give me a break

Ballmer said that Microsoft has been a number of years too late to market with stuff for a reason.  They don't get first to market with about anything at all.  They take what is established, looks promising and then piles on.  Because of this, Microsoft is late to the cell phone market, and anything that Apple got into.  They were slow to the Web browser market, web search, and more.  Doesn't matter if they spend a lot on research, they just don't come to market first with much of anything, thus Ballmer went into talking about how Microsoft has been too slow.

http://brooksreview.net/2011/05/ballmer/

That is on Ballmer and Microsoft being slow to the market.  So, of course with all their said R&D they can respond with something.  Note the word RESPOND.

In regards to innovation, maybe you give Microsoft the harddrive in their console and achievements.  Windows 8 looks possibly something they are working on new.  But you are seriously going to say that Kinect DEFINED any market at all?  Kinect is a follow up based upon the work Nintendo did wih the Wii.

which is 2 different thing.... failing to move fast enough and have a huge r&d are 2 unrelated things unfortunatelly.... but even talking about apple.... MS has a think tank that makes cupernito looks like kindergarten yard... http://research.microsoft.com/apps/dp/pr/projects.aspx#p=1&ps=36&so=1&sb=&fr=&to=&fd=&td=&rt=!47194!47195&f=a&a=&pn=&pa=&pd=  that's just one of their website not even starting with all the MS subsidiary and sister/daughter companies.... so yeah far from gaming only.... but still not many company beside energy sector or automobile sector or aerospace have r&d's that can match the size and capacity of MS they have like 20 times the employee nintendo has... it's not like it is a pissing contest..... it's just a technical fact.... sony could maybe but since they have way more than softare and computing to r&d and have a lot more employees than the 2 other because they do need huge production lines....

anyway i was merely countering all the flame bait... some nintendo fans where trying to do willingly or not.... there is simply no way that nintendo can technically have a better and/or bigger r&D than ms or sony..... now smarter managers maybe but that has nothing to do with r&D


So it's not a pissing contest, but microsoft has better r&d because it's bigger?? sounds like a pissing contest to me....only problem is microsoft is incontinent



badgenome on 04 June 2012
maxnyc said:

I'll definitely give Sony credit for that, first CD-based console. Sony did have (back in their glory days) solid r&d, usually geared towards media & consumer electronics (not gaming). Sony didn't develop CD, DVD, or blu-ray with gaming in mind, although it wasn't a bad idea to use them for gaming. But to be honest, most of what Sony did in the gaming sector was a rip off of what nintendo did, as outlined in Aielyn's post.

Also give Sony credit for banning 2D games from their system. Moar innovation! And the diametric opposite of being Nintendo-like.



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endimion on 04 June 2012
maxnyc said:
endimion said:
maxnyc said:
endimion said:
lol at everyone wanking on nintendo r&d ms blows about any software company out of the water when it comes to r&d they have stuff in the pipeline for the next 20 years.... give me a break

I guess that's why microsoft basically bought the technology & idea for Kinect from the Israeli developer PrimeSense. I wouldn't exactly call that internal r&d.


they provide the 3d sensing tech.... you're basically telling me michelin invented the car because they made the first tire..... i ain't saying nintendo is a shit company..... they pretty much made the market what it is today..... but somebody saying that nintendo has a better r&d or even can afford the r&d MS has.... has no clue of what they are talking about.... heck even apple is nowhere close....

Microsoft is a true copy & paste company. They blatantly copied the original Mac OS (which could be argued Apple copied from xerox), blatantly copied the ipod, blatantly copied the playstation, etc etc. Microsoft does a decent job of seeing what others are doing, and then copying them. That's not true r&d in my opinion. If you think microsoft has great r&d, then what devices have they ever radically designed themselves from the ground up (which hadn't already been done before)?

pfff apple i ain't even gonna go there.... not even xerox they blatently copied freebsd and made it a licensed product..... even MS in their worst years of evil behavior back in the 90's never made me want to vomit as much as that company.....

don't tell me you think ms-dos was stollen from ibm too..... and i fail to see what the xb copied from ps... different architecture almost from the ground up twice in row.... hdd and online integration.... the only similarity might have been the media support.... if their is someone in the vg game industry that really copied and stole sony vs sega / nintendo now i agree.... but then again can't blame them on that one sega was on the edge they just pushed them down the cliff :) .....



maxnyc on 04 June 2012

 

Badge, this one's for you

(max, Sony didn't release the first CD-enabled system. That goes to the Saturn, even arguable to the non-leading 3DO, or even to the Sega CD and other such add-ons)

I believe Badge was the one to claim Sony was first to CD-based system. But you're right Sega was first, even though they failed miserably. Sony was the first to make a successful cd-based system.



endimion on 04 June 2012
maxnyc said:
endimion said:
richardhutnik said:
endimion said:
lol at everyone wanking on nintendo r&d ms blows about any software company out of the water when it comes to r&d they have stuff in the pipeline for the next 20 years.... give me a break

Ballmer said that Microsoft has been a number of years too late to market with stuff for a reason.  They don't get first to market with about anything at all.  They take what is established, looks promising and then piles on.  Because of this, Microsoft is late to the cell phone market, and anything that Apple got into.  They were slow to the Web browser market, web search, and more.  Doesn't matter if they spend a lot on research, they just don't come to market first with much of anything, thus Ballmer went into talking about how Microsoft has been too slow.

http://brooksreview.net/2011/05/ballmer/

That is on Ballmer and Microsoft being slow to the market.  So, of course with all their said R&D they can respond with something.  Note the word RESPOND.

In regards to innovation, maybe you give Microsoft the harddrive in their console and achievements.  Windows 8 looks possibly something they are working on new.  But you are seriously going to say that Kinect DEFINED any market at all?  Kinect is a follow up based upon the work Nintendo did wih the Wii.

which is 2 different thing.... failing to move fast enough and have a huge r&d are 2 unrelated things unfortunatelly.... but even talking about apple.... MS has a think tank that makes cupernito looks like kindergarten yard... http://research.microsoft.com/apps/dp/pr/projects.aspx#p=1&ps=36&so=1&sb=&fr=&to=&fd=&td=&rt=!47194!47195&f=a&a=&pn=&pa=&pd=  that's just one of their website not even starting with all the MS subsidiary and sister/daughter companies.... so yeah far from gaming only.... but still not many company beside energy sector or automobile sector or aerospace have r&d's that can match the size and capacity of MS they have like 20 times the employee nintendo has... it's not like it is a pissing contest..... it's just a technical fact.... sony could maybe but since they have way more than softare and computing to r&d and have a lot more employees than the 2 other because they do need huge production lines....

anyway i was merely countering all the flame bait... some nintendo fans where trying to do willingly or not.... there is simply no way that nintendo can technically have a better and/or bigger r&D than ms or sony..... now smarter managers maybe but that has nothing to do with r&D


So it's not a pissing contest, but microsoft has better r&d because it's bigger?? sounds like a pissing contest to me....only problem is microsoft is incontinent

what i'm saying is with 92k employee at ms and 4+k at nintendo and most of them devs.... there is just no way in hell nintendo can even do r&d on the same scale ms does....
so yeah no contest here.... not the same category.... we are trying to compare feather weight with heavy weight.....



happydolphin on 04 June 2012
maxnyc said:

Badge, this one's for you

(max, Sony didn't release the first CD-enabled system. That goes to the Saturn, even arguable to the non-leading 3DO, or even to the Sega CD and other such add-ons)

I believe Badge was the one to claim Sony was first to CD-based system. But you're right Sega was first, even though they failed miserably. Sony was the first to make a successful cd-based system.

He might have been trolling you. And since he's very well versed in games and gaming, I wouldn't be too shocked to know that it was actually his intent, going by his follow-up post.

Even Sony fans can be right sometimes! (believe it or not )



maxnyc on 04 June 2012

what i'm saying is with 92k employee at ms and 4+k at nintendo and most of them devs.... there is just no way in hell nintendo can even do r&d on the same scale ms does....
so yeah no contest here.... not the same category.... we are trying to compare feather weight with heavy weight.....

again- your logic is bigger must be better, even though you specifically said "it's not a pissing contest". most of microsofts staff has absolutely nothing to do with their video game division or r&d, whereas most of nintendo's does. what's the size of microsofts video game r&d department? do you know? and just because you have a lot of employees, doesn't mean they're better, that completely fails to look at the quality & function of such employees.